Tesla Model 3 reveal.

[aturnis]

Tesla is revealing their $35,000 Model 3 tonight in California.

Anyone reserving one?

Check out the live reveal here https://model3.tesla.com/ . Starts at 8:30PT

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Cool stuff. A slow car that wont go far. Better than anything else by what measure?

Is there a trailer hitch option for this overpriced ride for nitwits?

Let me know when Tesla has a real car that will get me to Lawrence or Columbia and back or a Tesla pickup with 4WD and a gooseneck hitch.

Without government aid these dickheads would be broke tomorrow.

You might be the dumbest mother****er in America.

If you're not, I surely never want to meet that person.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Cool stuff. A slow car that wont go far. Better than anything else by what measure?

Is there a trailer hitch option for this overpriced ride for nitwits?

Let me know when Tesla has a real car that will get me to Lawrence or Columbia and back or a Tesla pickup with 4WD and a gooseneck hitch.

Without government aid these dickheads would be broke tomorrow.

2.8 second 0-60 but tops out at 130mph(software limited). Not bad for a car that weighs 4900 lbs.

Out accelerates Ferrari and Bugatti. Other "performance sedans" top at around 155mph?

As far as towing, the Model X crossover SUV has a 5,000lb tow capacity. I understand it has the ability to tow at "very high speeds", I've seen 70-75mph cited by owners. It also has a 0-60 of 3.2 seconds and a top speed of 155mph. Again, not bad for a 5400lb crossover suv. So I guess I'd imagine it is top in class or equal.

Other than next level safety ratings(literally broke testing machines), it sticks to the road like nothing else and the consensus is it is unflippable, during safety testing, tester literally could not flip the car, saying "you couldn't flip it with a spatula".

Without the government, all American auto manufacturers would be out of business, with the possible exception of Ford. At least Tesla is innovating, which is more than we can say for traditional automakers, the only innovative thing they've done in the last 30 years is outsourcing. Literally the last major innovation in traditional ICE auto manufacturing was electronic fuel injection in 1982. ****ing crooks.

They all took money in the big auto bailout. Have they even repaid the money yet? At least any credit lines Tesla got they paid back well ahead of schedule and with interest.

Not only that, but Tesla is the most American made car in the world as far as I know.

Want a pickup, wait 3-5 years.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You might be the dumbest mother****er in America.

If you're not, I surely never want to meet that person.

My ball busting of fan boi aside I'll make a humble observation. I've spent my career assembling teams of top flight engineers to work projects I've developed. Mostly DOD, some commercial early on. All more gifted than I am, I'm not an engineer. SW,EE,SE,ME,CS. There isn't anything they can't accomplish given focus and funding. In my humble opinion Musk is a singular visionary, crossing over from conventional to the next level. He's the rarest of birds, a door opener.
What will follow is that focus and funding, hopefully.
Then we'll have our best and brightest added to the solid team he's assembled. We'll have engineers ****ing around in the lab on an IRAD that develop transportation power technology that make plugging in a car look like film before digital. That does not detract from Musk opening the door but what can happen once we step through that door is exciting and so much more.

[Eleazar]

They look awesome to me, I don't know what people are complaining about. Luddites or what?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Cochise

They look awesome to me, I don't know what people are complaining about. Luddites or what?

Not redneck enough.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by aturnis

2.8 second 0-60 but tops out at 130mph(software limited). Not bad for a car that weighs 4900 lbs.

Out accelerates Ferrari and Bugatti. Other "performance sedans" top at around 155mph?

As far as towing, the Model X crossover SUV has a 5,000lb tow capacity. I understand it had the ability to you're at "very high speeds", I've seen 70-75mph cited by owners. It also has a 0-60 of 3.2 seconds and a top speed of 155mph. Again, not bad for a 5400lb crossover suv. So I guess I'd imagine it is top in class or equal.

Other than next level safety ratings(literally broke trying machines), it sticks to the road like nothing else and the consensus is it is unflippable, during safety testing, tester literally could not flip the car, saying "you couldn't flip it with a spatula".

Without the government, all American auto manufacturers would be out of business, with the possible exception of Ford. At least Tesla is innovating, which is more than we can say for traditional automakers, the only innovative thing they've done in the last 30 years is outsourcing. Literally the lady major innovation in internal traditional ICE auto manufacturing was electronic fuel injection in 1982. ****ing crooks.

They all took money in the big auto bailout, have they even repaid the money yet? At least any credit lines Tesla got they paid back well ahead of schedule and with interest.

Not only that, but Tesla is the most American made car in the world as far as I know.

Want a pickup, wait 3-5 years.

Ford didn't take a government bail out. And you're right, GM and Dodge should have been left to bankruptcy. They wouldn't have gone out of business. But you can bet that they would have restructured and most likely ended up with a much better company.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Ford didn't take a government bail out. And you're right, GM and Dodge should have been left to bankruptcy. They wouldn't have gone out of business. But you can bet that they would have restructured and most likely ended up with a much better company.

Wrong. Ford didn't NEED a government bailout, they took the money anyway though, plus another loan on top of that if I recall. Bastards.

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[Lzen]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Wrong. Ford didn't NEED a government bailout, they took the money anyway though, plus another loan on top of that if I recall. Bastards.

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Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get this information?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You might be the dumbest mother****er in America.

If you're not, I surely never want to meet that person.

All his opinions are politically based.

Electric cars are teh debbil pushed on society by heathen tree-hugging commies.

logic has nothing to do with anything

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get this information?

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/for...n-on-bailouts/

There are several places to read about it if you don't approve of that website

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get this information?

Oops, Laz beat me to it.

[underEJ]

I had a Volt for a 3 year lease and it was fantastic, a great bridge between the gas only model and electric only models. I would be one of the Tesla buyers if I thought I was going to own a car for enough years (at least 10) after it is released. I don't think I will however. I think I am less than likely to own a car as my primary form of transportation even 5 years from now.

It isn't totally clear yet how ride share will look in the future, nor how public transit will merge with it, but it is already happening. Kansas City has a great example of where the merge is starting with the Bridj project. Mass transit that is smaller and can alter with demand. I think you will see ride share become an investment game too where car investors instead of car owners put cars on the street and drivers lease to drive others and eventually cars auto pilot, taking ride share and mass transit to a unification where public transit is available on demand, basically door to door.

As long as I live in a city, I don't see myself needing to own my own car in about five years, seven at the most.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by underEJ

I had a Volt for a 3 year lease and it was fantastic, a great bridge between the gas only model and electric only models. I would be one of the Tesla buyers if I thought I was going to own a car for enough years (at least 10) after it is released. I don't think I will however. I think I am less than likely to own a car as my primary form of transportation even 5 years from now.

It isn't totally clear yet how ride share will look in the future, nor how public transit will merge with it, but it is already happening. Kansas City has a great example of where the merge is starting with the Bridj project. Mass transit that is smaller and can alter with demand. I think you will see ride share become an investment game too where car investors instead of car owners put cars on the street and drivers lease to drive others and eventually cars auto pilot, taking ride share and mass transit to a unification where public transit is available on demand, basically door to door.

As long as I live in a city, I don't see myself needing to own my own car in about five years, seven at the most.

I don't know about that.

People in KC don't seem to like public transit or ride sharing, they want to control their own ride even if it cost more. JMO

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by underEJ

I had a Volt for a 3 year lease and it was fantastic, a great bridge between the gas only model and electric only models. I would be one of the Tesla buyers if I thought I was going to own a car for enough years (at least 10) after it is released. I don't think I will however. I think I am less than likely to own a car as my primary form of transportation even 5 years from now.

It isn't totally clear yet how ride share will look in the future, nor how public transit will merge with it, but it is already happening. Kansas City has a great example of where the merge is starting with the Bridj project. Mass transit that is smaller and can alter with demand. I think you will see ride share become an investment game too where car investors instead of car owners put cars on the street and drivers lease to drive others and eventually cars auto pilot, taking ride share and mass transit to a unification where public transit is available on demand, basically door to door.

As long as I live in a city, I don't see myself needing to own my own car in about five years, seven at the most.

Yeah right

[underEJ]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I don't know about that.

People in KC don't seem to like public transit or ride sharing, they want to control their own ride even if it cost more. JMO

You may be right, but so far, that isn't what I've been seeing. I am moving back to KC in 2018, and I have always had a place there even while living in LA, and transit was decades behind LA when I first moved out here. Now it is about one decade behind, and the gap will close faster because transit expansions are accompanied by a network of ride options and all areas can be served immediately even while more permanent infrastructures like the streetcar are being built.

I recently moved my KC place from midtown to downtown and finding a place along the streetcar route was hard. Bidding wars were pretty common for prime places. I did manage to do it, but there was much talk among realtors about the new developments planned along the line. That is only one small line, and the impact is there. People are grouping around it.

KC used to be a transit town, and it may very well be one again. KC is, however, a big naysayer town, but they generally come around eventually.