Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 128

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Flying High D · 11-11-2018, 01:33 PM

Black, he’s a raider? I thought he was red, a Chief. Am I missing something?

RunKC · 11-11-2018, 09:21 PM

I lost the video on YouTube, but there was an update on him from NFLN. Said he was sprinting fine but bone spurs have been hurting him.

Chiefs thought he’d be back in week 6 or 7. Says he will be back this year.

baitism · 11-11-2018, 09:29 PM

I heard he needs reconstructive labia surgery.

RunKC · 11-11-2018, 09:37 PM

GloryDayz · 11-11-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Yeah, he's fooling them too.

RaidersOftheCellar · 11-11-2018, 10:49 PM

They're gonna bust him out for the Rams.

Chiefspants · 11-13-2018, 09:18 AM

Real talk:

If there's any question about Berry's health this offseason - does anyone think we should keep him for Year 3 of this contract?

I'm not looking to start a flame war - but just curious about where everyone is on this.

FloridaMan88 · 11-13-2018, 09:20 AM

Day 94 of Eric Berry's "Day to Day" Extravaganza.

O.city · 11-13-2018, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Real talk:

If there's any question about Berry's health this offseason - does anyone think we should keep him for Year 3 of this contract?

I'm not looking to start a flame war - but just curious about where everyone is on this.

I just don't know that financially you can move on. Someone smarter than me care to chime in?

OKchiefs · 11-13-2018, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Real talk:

If there's any question about Berry's health this offseason - does anyone think we should keep him for Year 3 of this contract?

I'm not looking to start a flame war - but just curious about where everyone is on this.

Well, I don't see how we don't go through the exact same bullshit next year with Berry unless he actually has the ****ing surgery that he should have had this offseason. It would be a big hit to cut him, but it's also a big hit to have him here providing nothing. At least as a post June 1st cut we can spread the hit out.

OKchiefs · 11-13-2018, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don't know that financially you can move on. Someone smarter than me care to chime in?

I'm not sure I'm smarter than you, but as a post June 1st cut the cap hit isn't quite as bad. And considering he provides nothing next year if he can't get on the field again, $9 million in dead money is better than a $16 million cap number for a player who can't play anymore.

GloryDayz · 11-13-2018, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Real talk:

If there's any question about Berry's health this offseason - does anyone think we should keep him for Year 3 of this contract?

I'm not looking to start a flame war - but just curious about where everyone is on this.

It shouldn't even be allowed to come up, he should be fired and see if another team wants to take a turn on the "day2day" merry-go-round...

Skyy God · 11-13-2018, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Real talk:

If there's any question about Berry's health this offseason - does anyone think we should keep him for Year 3 of this contract?

I'm not looking to start a flame war - but just curious about where everyone is on this.

If you designate him as a post-June cut, you save $12.5M in salary and workout bonus. The $12M cap hit is spread out over 2 years.

So, best case scenario (from a cap perspective, I think) is he retires. But he definitely can be cut next year.

O.city · 11-13-2018, 09:31 AM

Yeah, if he's not gonna be able to play, you just swallow hard and cut him.

Reerun_KC · 11-13-2018, 09:34 AM

Would a retirement due to injury be more beneficial to the cap?

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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1686899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. 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