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Regardless of what anyone says, the Royals traded five pitchers last year in pursuit of a title. They didn't know if it would happen or not but fortunately, it did. Those trades in no way guaranteed that they'd return to the playoffs in 2016 or 2017, let alone the World Series. 2020 is a long time from now and Fox isn't likely to give away free money. |
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06-12-2016, 09:43 PM | #1847 |
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Wow, so much to catch up on.
Re: Trading Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain, Davis, Escobar, Duffy or any other free agent following 2017...That's only going to happen if they're way out of it at the break next year. They're going to make a concerted effort to keep Hosmer in KC. It probably won't be enough, but they're going to try for him. They do have, on their side, his eye towards his legacy (in baseball and towards the Royals). He sees the benefits beyond dollar signs of staying put. If he signs, it will be a Gordon-type situation where he takes a competitive but slightly lesser offer. But it's not out of the question. Yes, $25 million seems like a safe bet for Hosmer on the open market. But with the Giants tied long-term to Belt, the Angels having no spending money, the Orioles making a huge long-term commitment to Chris Davis (and with a superior player in Machado looming as a free agent), the Yankees having a couple of great young options coming through their farm system, the number of big money suitors for a 1b may be less than people would think. KC will also likely have low-cost options at SS, 2B, and possibly 3b to balance that big contract for Hosmer out. If they find an OF and SP through the farm by the end of next season, that helps as well. If this team can find a way to get through the rest of this tough stretch at or slightly above .500, I like its chances in a stretch drive as they get healthier across the board. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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06-12-2016, 09:46 PM | #1848 |
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But the rotation though...
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The legacy thing is a whole other part of it, but that plays into it too. It just makes sense. We have other infielders. I think Cuthbert and Mondesi will become solid players. Dozier is on the way. Who knows if we find another guy like Merrifield. Hosmer has turned into the leader of this team. Replacing Gordon's contract with Hosmer's might cost us $7-8 million more a year, but much of that should be offset by TV money... especially if the Royals continue to have the best ratings in baseball. They can afford one contract like that, and at this point Hosmer should be that guy.
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Payroll is maxed out. Wouldn't it be an absolute goldmine stroke of luck for the Royals to even be in the hunt a year from now? Personally, I'm all good with trading assets for players and rebuilding quickly but why is this on the back burner instead of the front burner? Is this because Ned decided to come back? |
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06-12-2016, 10:08 PM | #1852 | |
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That's only two years of what will probably be a 6 or 7 year contract for Hosmer. And as much as you want to say otherwise, FOX negotiated both St. Louis' and Arizona's new contracts before the previous one expired. This is not a debatable point. It happened. Will they do that for the Royals? I have zero idea... but painting it as completely impossible is false too. |
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06-12-2016, 10:14 PM | #1853 | |
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I don't give a **** if zero people outside of KC know about 2015. The Royals did what I thought they would never do in my lifetime. They gave this city a title. We traded five pitchers. I would have given more. It's the nature of the beast when rooting for a small market team. We're not the Dodgers. We're going to be able to sign the Greinke's or the Cueto's. We have to do what we can with the tools we have. And those trades? They netted us a second basemen who played out of his mind in October and a starter who pitched two two hitters in the postseason. We likely don't win a championship without them. Your line of reasoning isn't uncommon. I see this all over Facebook (usually from people broken up that we lost Finny), but I swear it's a symptom of rooting for a perrienial loser. The "it's always next year" mindset has made people forget what we're hoping to accomplish "next year." But you know, Next year is here. We won the damn thing, and until late October, we are the kings of Major League Baseball. Ask the Cubs, Indians, Rockies, or any fanbase who hasn't won it all. I have a feeling they would trade with us in a heartbeat. Last edited by Chiefspants; 06-13-2016 at 08:59 AM.. |
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They only have $73.5 mil committed in 2018, assuming that they decline options on Infante and Young. There's A LOT of spots to fill but 1B is one of them. They have 6 players currently signed for the 2018 team, along with the younger guys (Cuthbert, Merrifield, etc.) that won't be free agents yet and are on those 1 year deals. |
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06-13-2016, 06:42 AM | #1856 | |
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You're going to get the rebuild/retool you want, just in 2018. They won't retool for 2017 because KC returns all key position players next year with the exception of Morales, whose mutual option will be declined by the team, and it returns most of the bullpen (Hochevar likely leaves as a FA). The rotation will definitely be a question mark. What Duffy and Ventura do the rest of the year certainly will be a factor in how big a question mark it will be. They both have immense talent. Ian Kennedy's HR trouble on the road is a warning sign, but he will be a piece of that rotation. Jason Vargas will be back from his Tommy John (18 mo. Removed) and an option. Mike Minor also will be in the mix. They'll be shopping for at least one SP in free agency, in all likelihood. And they'll find a way to make that work, with the salary coming off the books (which is only a slight gain by the time you include salary increases from contracts and arbitration) and a potential increase. I'll believe it's maxed out when they stop adding big salary to the payroll in the offseason. Has happened for many years in a row, and all indications are that they'll continue to do so to max out their ability to contend in this window. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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You're correct. They're mutual options so there's a good chance they decline them. That's another $17 mil off the books in 2017 if they decline their options.
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But anyone could see that their pitching assets would be depleted from those trades, regardless of where they were projected in the majors. The Royals are a small market team with limited resources and a terrible TV contract. Expecting them to compete for a WS for the third straight year with a patchwork pitching staff is tenuous at best. |
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