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Old 09-14-2016, 10:19 AM  
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VFW to boycott Chiefs etc

Apparently VFW halls are going to boycott any team that protest during the national Anthem.

Chiefs,Seattle,49ers etc
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:25 PM   #166
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Sure... but they would be wrong.
... well OK then. Not much else to discuss.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:28 PM   #167
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When it gets to the point that our offended because the flag is in your US free tax payer grade school, paid lunches, housing paid buy people you never will know then there is a problem IMO.

If it is that bad i guess we have to respect yor wishes and fk everyone else?, respect the flag and what it stands for or ignore it all together and take your free ride, dont ruin it for my children or those who want to stand for one nation under god.

respect the country you live in and or its customs and nationality laws is that asking to much?
Sure there are alot of white thugs there always will be any thug of any color , once again your not rewritng history no matter how hard you try. ask the pres of the philippines what he thinks of Obama and his views of how he should conduct his drug war and current affairs.
mind your country respect the place where you currently live, i can assure you things are not the same in here PI. ill be home for a home game in oct and buy my tickets from my friends no color need mentioned my friends are my friends period.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:28 PM   #168
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So you admit you want to force the entire country to accept the meaning that someone else applied? Sorry, that's just not gonna work. It doesn't make it any better framing it as Lincoln's opinion instead of your own.
I'm not sure how I'm forcing anyone to do anything. I'm explaining why I don't agree with the method of the protest, because many people that are in favor of the protest, assume that I must be racist if I'm against it. Again, more division.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:32 PM   #169
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What about say someone of native american descent who's ancestors were culled by soldiers flying that flag? They might disagree, no?

Let's not pretend that the flag is historically untarnished.
I'm trying to discern your position here.

Is it as simple as 'squeaky wheel gets the grease and that's as it should be?'

Because it looks like you have a lot of sympathy for people who don't respect the nation and not much for those who do.

If I'm missing something, fill me in.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:33 PM   #170
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So you admit you want to force the entire country to accept the meaning that someone else applied? Sorry, that's just not gonna work. It doesn't make it any better framing it as Lincoln's opinion instead of your own.
Force them to accept? Or plead with them to respect?
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:35 PM   #171
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and are you going to correct everyone around you, including your friends, who disrespects the anthem by screaming out home of the CHIEFS?

/don't give me none of that it isn't a protest so it is ok either. that shit it worse... you are appropriating the song of our country and personal liberty for a stupid sports franchise.
you dont me from sht from adam how will you know what I do or what i say, do as you please. ill repect your right to say stand spitsht it whatever icgafl but dont expect me to do anything otherwise.

once again we are distrACTED fom a national sport ill dropp 2 franklins in a bucket if you will
time to move on or help or sit and do nothing
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:35 PM   #172
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I'm not sure how I'm forcing anyone to do anything. I'm explaining why I don't agree with the method of the protest, because many people that are in favor of the protest, assume that I must be racist if I'm against it. Again, more division.
You're asking everyone to agree with your interpretation of the flag.

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Can't we all agree, that no matter what background you come from, or what personal experiences you've had, that the American flag, as a symbol, represents the absolute best ideals of the world?
I'm not sure who is assuming you to be racist. I must have missed that.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:36 PM   #173
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When it gets to the point that our offended because the flag is in your US free tax payer grade school, paid lunches, housing paid buy people you never will know then there is a problem IMO.

If it is that bad i guess we have to respect yor wishes and fk everyone else?, respect the flag and what it stands for or ignore it all together and take your free ride, dont ruin it for my children or those who want to stand for one nation under god.

respect the country you live in and or its customs and nationality laws is that asking to much?
Sure there are alot of white thugs there always will be any thug of any color , once again your not rewritng history no matter how hard you try. ask the pres of the philippines what he thinks of Obama and his views of how he should conduct his drug war and current affairs.
mind your country respect the place where you currently live, i can assure you things are not the same in here PI. ill be home for a home game in oct and buy my tickets from my friends no color need mentioned my friends are my friends period.
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What about say someone of native american descent who's ancestors were culled by soldiers flying that flag? They might disagree, no?

Let's not pretend that the flag is historically untarnished.
Are native American's somehow outside of the laws of the country? They enjoy all the same rights and privileges of any other American. Equal under the flag.

I have to go... I'd like to continue the conversation, but I have to get back to work. Thanks all for the discussion. I hope that we can actually continue to get closer to the vision of what the flag symbolizes for the country. And of course...

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I'm not sure how I'm forcing anyone to do anything. I'm explaining why I don't agree with the method of the protest, because many people that are in favor of the protest, assume that I must be racist if I'm against it. Again, more division.
Don't you think its rational that people would start to associate something based on actions rather than words? If the actions under the US flag are unequal, you don't see that most rational people would associate that rather than what Lincoln said?
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:38 PM   #176
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you dont me from sht from adam how will you know what I do or what i say, do as you please. ill repect your right to say stand spitsht it whatever icgafl but dont expect me to do anything otherwise.

once again we are distrACTED fom a national sport ill dropp 2 franklins in a bucket if you will
time to move on or help or sit and do nothing
and I knw you from adam. I dont know what you do or you say. glad you repect my right to spitsht. I also repect your right to smand and slang along.

Agreed about distACTIONS in fom of sport. Dropp franklins... I'll time to move on.

Glad we understand one another.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:39 PM   #177
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I'm trying to discern your position here.

Is it as simple as 'squeaky wheel gets the grease and that's as it should be?'

Because it looks like you have a lot of sympathy for people who don't respect the nation and not much for those who do.

If I'm missing something, fill me in.
Where did I say I didn't have sympathy for those who respect the nation?
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You're asking everyone to agree with your interpretation of the flag.
Asking... yes. Just as they are asking me to agree with theirs.

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I'm not sure who is assuming you to be racist. I must have missed that.
Not anyone yet in this conversation... but it's been thrown out there many times since the start of this national debate.

Cheers Fish (and everyone else here today)... gotta go.
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Where did I say I didn't have sympathy for those who respect the nation?
Didn't say you said it. Said that's how it appears.
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