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Old 11-13-2013, 05:25 PM  
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How similiar of QBs are Alex Smith and Russell Wilson?
Since everyone here loves Wilson so much.....

Admittedly Russell throws a better deep ball, but IMO they are fairly similar. Not flashy, don't throw for a ton of yards, use their feet to move the chains, protect the football and play smart.


Discuss....


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Old 01-18-2015, 11:51 PM   #166
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In the playoff game against Indianapolis, Alex Smith played beyond a HOF level.

I am critical of Alex Smith. But anyone who is critical of Smith's play in any way against Indianapolis is just being ridiculous. For that one game, he played like a great QB even if they didn't win. I really can't believe that in a game where we put up 40+ points, where Alex Smith was responsible for almost 450 yards and 4 TDs, we have people nitpicking about 2 ****ing plays.
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Old 01-19-2015, 12:17 AM   #167
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In the playoff game against Indianapolis, Alex Smith played beyond a HOF level.

I am critical of Alex Smith. But anyone who is critical of Smith's play in any way against Indianapolis is just being ridiculous. For that one game, he played like a great QB even if they didn't win. I really can't believe that in a game where we put up 40+ points, where Alex Smith was responsible for almost 450 yards and 4 TDs, we have people nitpicking about 2 ****ing plays.
I can't believe that in a game in which the Chiefs put up 40+ points, where Dwayne Bowe averaged 19 YPC, hit 150 receiving yards and got in the end zone, people are nitpicking about 1 ****ing play.

Those are also beyond Hall of Fame numbers.
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Old 01-19-2015, 12:21 AM   #168
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Bowe did score the first TD and broke a long one that put us at the 1 yard line.

.. Yet people love to bash him for his performance. And why? Because, ultimately, he didn't get the job done. Same with Alex.
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Old 01-19-2015, 12:54 AM   #169
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I can't believe that in a game in which the Chiefs put up 40+ points, where Dwayne Bowe averaged 19 YPC, hit 150 receiving yards and got in the end zone, people are nitpicking about 1 ****ing play.

Those are also beyond Hall of Fame numbers.
You can go ahead an check my track record. I applaud Alex Smith when he has a bad game, but he closes the door. I am critical of Alex Smith when he has a solid game, then blows it in the end. I think that's a very fair way to critique a player. So yes, I think it's really silly to evaluate plays earlier in the game.

In this game, Alex Smith made the right throw on the final play of the game. Dwayne Bowe did not execute. Smith opened and closed the door. Bowe did not close the door. Pretty easy.

Even with that aside... this game is the exception where I throw my golden rule aside. The QB performance was so stellar in that game that the final drive shouldn't have had to even happen. And no, I don't think Bowe is owed that same luxury. The QB position is far more crucial. And Alex Smith's 2 mistakes (30 passes, 8 rushes) is a lot easier to forgive than Bowe's 2 mistakes (3rd down drive killed, 4th down and final play) out of 8 receptions.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:14 AM   #170
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In the playoff game against Indianapolis, Alex Smith played beyond a HOF level.

I am critical of Alex Smith. But anyone who is critical of Smith's play in any way against Indianapolis is just being ridiculous. For that one game, he played like a great QB even if they didn't win. I really can't believe that in a game where we put up 40+ points, where Alex Smith was responsible for almost 450 yards and 4 TDs, we have people nitpicking about 2 ****ing plays.
So you are swaying he had a good game? Much like every QB that has played a significant amount of games in the NFL has had. Hell, Geno had a perfect QB rating the last game of the year so he was at a HOF level right?
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:17 AM   #171
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So you are swaying he had a good game? Much like every QB that has played a significant amount of games in the NFL has had. Hell, Geno had a perfect QB rating the last game of the year so he was at a HOF level right?
Umm....
First of all, we're talking about a playoff game vs. a meaningless game.

Secondly, I'm not the one who brought up the Indy game. It was brought up to somehow discount Alex Smith as a QB. I'm not a fan of Alex Smith. But anyone bringing up his playoff performance to in any way influence an argument that he isn't good is just ridiculous. There are lots of reason to not like Alex Smith. Leave the playoff performance out of it.
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Old 01-19-2015, 06:34 AM   #172
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Umm....
First of all, we're talking about a playoff game vs. a meaningless game.

Secondly, I'm not the one who brought up the Indy game. It was brought up to somehow discount Alex Smith as a QB. I'm not a fan of Alex Smith. But anyone bringing up his playoff performance to in any way influence an argument that he isn't good is just ridiculous. There are lots of reason to not like Alex Smith. Leave the playoff performance out of it.
Thats fine but your HOF stuff was reeruned... especially given HOF is reserved for those that proven something over a long period of time... not just one flukish game. By your arguement the Browns fans should have been on the Holcomb bandwagon because his playoff performance was better than Alex's vs Indy.
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Because a big mistake in a game where you played beyond a hall of fame level shouldn't even matter. Because a big mistake in the 3rd quarter doesn't matter nearly as much as a big mistake in the final drive in the 4th quarter.

I've been tough on Alex Smith in games where he doesn't close. In this case, he threw the right pass, he threw a very catchable pass, and Bowe didn't come down with it. Many, myself included, have been maybe a little too tough on Bowe for not coming down with that. But in this case, I believe Alex Smith made the right throw on the final play of the game so I can't at all faulting him for not closing. ESPECIALLY in a game where he played beyond a hall of fame level throughout the rest of the game.
this is stupid.

the packers turn one of those first qtr field goals into a td and they are going to the super bowl.


every play matters the same
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this is stupid.

the packers turn one of those first qtr field goals into a td and they are going to the super bowl.


every play matters the same
It's not stupid. Russell Wilson won't be remembered for his 4 INTs. He's going to be remembered for the way he closed this game. Big Ben had some brutal games in clutch games, but his reputation is that the dude closed some really, really big games.

I would much rather a QB who can nail it in the 4th quarter than a QB who plays solid 3 quarters and is horrible in the 4th. In most games, Alex Smith has been a terrible closer for the Chiefs. In this one game, he did his job in the 4th.
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how similar are failure and success?
You're right.

Alex Smith: 39-19 record last 4 years

They play the same role really...game managers on elite caliber teams. Wilson can throw it downfield better. That's really the only big difference.
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Thats fine but your HOF stuff was reeruned... especially given HOF is reserved for those that proven something over a long period of time... not just one flukish game. By your arguement the Browns fans should have been on the Holcomb bandwagon because his playoff performance was better than Alex's vs Indy.
It's not reeruned. I've pointed this out multiple times. Of all the current QBs who are expected to be HOF worthy (Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Brady), you know what their overall record is in games where their defense gave up 30+ points? It's 3-12 and Peyton has 2 of those 3 wins (Brady didn't win one until this season). Their overall record in games where the defense gave up 40+? 0-3.

So if a hall of fame QB can't pull off a 40+ point win, then what QB should be expected to? Alex Smith did everything he could to win in this game. Period. It is absolutely ridiculous to say that anything short of going 35-35, Alex Smith was imperfect. That's ****ing impossible. The standard is, did Alex Smith play at the level you'd expect from Brady, Rodgers, Montana, Elway... the answer is "yes" by a mile.

And for crying out loud, I am not an Alex Smith fan. I've been a huge critic of his. I just can't stand this shit where people are so unreasonably critical that they'll find tiny holes in a game where he did his job.
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