Chiefs Worst to First? - Page 12

Mr. Arrowhead · 07-12-2013, 04:04 PM

And the ESPN/NFL Network love fest for the chiefs continue. On NFL Live they said the chiefs were the most likely team to go worst to first in our division, and yes they all realized Peyton Manning is still the qb for the Broncos.

**Mav** · 07-17-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Oh, but can I still have your house if KC loses week one?

only if I can have yours if they don't. And I can see your point about the record, but I just don't see it. Once the Chiefs take out MJD, and the Chiefs establish their run game in that heat, what is already a very thin defense for the Jags, is going to get tired. Alex Smith is the best at knowing when to check into a run. I wouldn't be surprised if Jamaal Charles doesn't break 200 yards rushing on the day. I don't see anyway possible for the Jags to win that game.

MagicHef · 07-17-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579

only if I can have yours if they don't. And I can see your point about the record, but I just don't see it. Once the Chiefs take out MJD, and the Chiefs establish their run game in that heat, what is already a very thin defense for the Jags, is going to get tired. Alex Smith is the best at knowing when to check into a run. I wouldn't be surprised if Jamaal Charles doesn't break 200 yards rushing on the day. I don't see anyway possible for the Jags to win that game.

No, I'm still using mine.

Why do all the Chiefs' plans for victory hinge on injuring opposing players?

**Mav** · 07-17-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

1. @ Jaguars: Win
2. Cowboys: Loss
3. @ Eagles: Loss
4. Giants: Loss
5. @ Titans: Win
6. Raiders: Win
7. Texans: Loss
8. Browns: Loss
9. @ Bills: Loss
10. Bye
11. @ Broncos: Loss
12. Chargers: Win
13. Broncos: Loss
14. @ Redskins: Loss
15. @ Raiders: Loss
16. Colts: Loss
17. @ Chargers: Loss

This team could very well end up at 4-12, much like they did after the last time they went 2-14. Additionally, thinking you'll sweep both division opponents is silly, unless you're a team that is clearly better such as the stupid Donks. The trend for the past several years is for KC to split those games.

Can I ask other than the fact that its a road game that you think the ANDY REID led Chiefs are going to lose to the Eagles. I cant believe there is a game on your schedule that Andy Reid will want to win more than that one. I also say because Philly on paper, is a very bad team, implementing a system that is very much like the system that Steve Spurrier tried to implement in Washington. So I am not sure what it is that makes people think that Philly, who drafted 4th last year, and didn't seem to get better, is all of a sudden going to be that much better?

**Mav** · 07-17-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

No, I'm still using mine.

Why do all the Chiefs' plans for victory hinge on injuring opposing players?

no, not out, as in injured, out as in the Chiefs have a big enough lead that the jags cant rely anymore on the running game.

MagicHef · 07-17-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579

no, not out, as in injured, out as in the Chiefs have a big enough lead that the jags cant rely anymore on the running game.

Oh, of course.

The Chiefs certainly are used to blowouts.

**ptlyon** · 07-17-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Oh, of course.

The Chiefs certainly are used to blowouts.

CHECKDOWNS ARE AMAZINGTH!

**ptlyon** · 07-17-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Oh, of course.

The Chiefs certainly are used to blowouts.

And we really should emphasize here that Magic is referring to giving the said blowout.

The Chiefs occasionally give a good blowout, but are more apt to get a good blowout.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-17-2013, 11:21 AM

Denver isn't going 2-6 on the road. Sac is severely underrating the Broncos. Severely.

Three7s · 07-17-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

We always win a game that we had no business winning and losing at least one that we had no business losing.

I see you predicted a loss to the Bills (which, lately, would be par for the course), but which is your most likely candidate for the game that we steal?

I agree with losing to the Bills, as well. We haven't won in Buffalo since 1986. No question, the Chiefs play their worst in Buffalo. As for game we could steal, I'd have to go with the Redskins. We've never lost to them and I think we can handle the option.

MagicHef · 07-17-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

1. @ Jaguars: Win
2. Cowboys: Loss
3. @ Eagles: Loss
4. Giants: Loss
5. @ Titans: Win
6. Raiders: Win
7. Texans: Loss
8. Browns: Loss
9. @ Bills: Loss
10. Bye
11. @ Broncos: Loss
12. Chargers: Win
13. Broncos: Loss
14. @ Redskins: Loss
15. @ Raiders: Loss
16. Colts: Loss
17. @ Chargers: Loss

This team could very well end up at 4-12, much like they did after the last time they went 2-14. Additionally, thinking you'll sweep both division opponents is silly, unless you're a team that is clearly better such as the stupid Donks. The trend for the past several years is for KC to split those games.

Is this your prediction, or your worst case scenario?

RunKC · 07-17-2013, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Florida in early September is miserable. Excepting Oakland's domination in the 70's, AFCW teams are 3-10 in Florida in September, and 2 of those wins came against horrible Tampa Bay teams.

The 13-3 2005 Broncos got destroyed in Miami in the season opener, losing by 24 points. Their other two losses were by 1 and 4 points.

Add to that the first game in a new system for offense and defense, and I don't like KC's chances no matter how good they are and no matter how bad Jacksonville is.

The Chiefs have the same defense. They are just attacking more. That's it.

The Jaguars don't have any pass rushers of note that are dangerous in any way. And their secondary is basically full of rookies.

Add no Blackmon and they don't have any scary WR's.

We're winning that one.

Sorter · 07-17-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Is this your prediction, or your worst case scenario?

Prediction

milkman · 07-17-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Just look at the playmakers at his disposal:

Bowe- 6'2" 221lbs 4.51
Baldwin- 6'4" 230lbs 4.49
Fasano- 6'4" 255lbs 4.72
Moeaki- 6'3" 252lbs 4.69
Kelce- 6'5" 255lbs 4.64
Avery- 5'11" 186lbs 4.27
McCluster-5'9" 170lbs 4.59
Charles-6'1" 200lbs 4.36
Davis-6'0" 227lbs 4.35

The only playmakers on that list are Charles and Bowe.

The rest are just homeristic fantasy.

Mile High Mania · 07-17-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Denver:

1. Ravens: Win
2. @ Giants: Loss
3. Raiders: Win
4. Eagles: Win
5. @ Cowboys: Loss
6. Jaguars: Win
7. @ Colts: Loss
8. Redskins: Win
9. Bye
10. @ Chargers: Win
11. Chiefs: Win
12. @ Pats: Loss
13. @ Chiefs: Loss
14. Titans: Win
15. Chargers: Win
16. @ Texans: Loss
17. @ Raiders: Win

10-6 Wildcard

Thanks for posting... Honestly though, 2-6 on the road? I don't see that happening. They have some tough road games and the bold red are where I might differe one way or the other. 8-0 at home would be nice, but someone like WAS, BAL could sneak up and bite 'em. (not that BAL is sneaking up on any team, but I do think Denver wins that one)

Again, I think they get to 10-11 wins - will be hard to get back to 13 again, but not impossible.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Denver:
Fasano is solid, Moeaki can be very good depending upon injury rehab and Kelce is a rookie, so we'll see but he was pretty hyped following his last season in college going into the draft. That's a pretty good three deep rotation at the TE spot.

And as I stated, the #2 WR spot is a question mark. Baldwin has as good a physical ability and size as anyone in the league. I think having Smith at QB and the West Coast system will help him tremendously. In addition, McCluster will be solid as the 3/4 guy (depending upon what they want to do with him on returns versus the passing game - sounds like he's going to be the full time return man). I think Hemingway will end up being the #4 guy behind Bowe, Baldwin and Avery with McCluster seeing gimmick/gadget action on offense and being the full time return guy.

And you are flat out bat shit crazy if you think that Smith is "a little better than an Orton type, maybe."

Smith was top three in the league last year in completion percentage, QB rating and yards per attempt. He's athletic, a legit 6'4", 230 lbs., very smart and doesn't give the ball to the defense. Extremely efficient with his passing and will be supported by a system that fits his skill set to a "T" and an extremely good running game. The Chiefs will be very balanced offensively and Smith is a big reason for that.

I still think the WR depth and TEs are a 'bunch of guys with nice upside' to be honest. Sure, I could be wrong... wouldn't be the first time, but I just don't see a lot of play makers there, just a solid group that may or may not raise their game with a guy like Smith. Again, he's a good QB, won't make a lot of bonehead plays, but I just question his ability to rally the masses and lead them.

Denver's schedule is interesting...
5 of the first 8 games before the bye are in Denver.
4 of the last 6 games are on the road.

Pros and cons balance out there I think, especially with road trips to NE, HOU, KC and OAK in that final stretch.

MagicHef · 07-17-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Chiefs have the same defense. They are just attacking more. That's it.

The Jaguars don't have any pass rushers of note that are dangerous in any way. And their secondary is basically full of rookies.

Add no Blackmon and they don't have any scary WR's.

We're winning that one.

I thought you guys were switching to one-gap?

Again, it's not about the talent. If this were in KC, I think you'd win easily.

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