Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 12

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Yes on Cullen Jenkins. Ehh on Canty. Maybe for the right price.

Bart Scott can go ass to mouth with a man and get AIDS

Scotts a good fit here, his position coach is the DC and he brings leadership this team desperately needs on that side of the ball.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

PFC is reporting chiefs are going hard after sean smith and william moore.

And trading a third for Maclin

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Yuh... welcome to an hour and a half ago?

Are you a different DaneMcCloud? Didn't we just have like a whole conversation?

Yeah, I just re-read it, laughed my ass off and decided to use it as my sig. And I'm not even a sig guy.

It's just so utterly ridiculous to compare a college QB that isn't even the consensus best QB in the draft to 4-Time Super Bowl Winning QB Joe Montana.

****ing awesome.

saphojunkie · 03-05-2013, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I might take him 1, I think Hunter is gonna be like Julio Jones.

That's a bold statement.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

And trading a third for Maclin

Yea because see they're gonna do that then trade down to 8 with Buffalo get their 2's and 3 back and draft Chance Warmack!

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Scotts a good fit here, his position coach is the DC and he brings leadership this team desperately needs on that side of the ball.

He's done. Unless Bob Newhart knows what made him suck the past two seasons and can correct it on this Chiefs defense, I'm not interested one bit. He'd Glenn Cadrez it up all over the place.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I might take him 1, I think Hunter is gonna be like Julio Jones.

Holy balls, Mec.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

He's done. Unless Bob Newhart knows what made him suck the past two seasons and can correct it on this Chiefs defense, I'm not interested one bit. He'd Glenn Cadrez it up all over the place.

Agreed. He has less value than 2009 Mike Vrabel.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

He's done. Unless Bob Newhart knows what made him suck the past two seasons and can correct it on this Chiefs defense, I'm not interested one bit. He'd Glenn Cadrez it up all over the place.

Ok give me another MLB, keep in mind he needs to basically be a vet leader that only has to play in base defense.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 12:30 AM

I'd move back to 8 by them giving us their first next year and the 8th pick... Then try to move back to 15 or so adding a 2 or 3 and take a pass rusher or receiver.

If we can't move back (and we won't be able to) you can't pass on a quarterback and go all in with Alex Smith, can you?

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Holy balls, Mec.

There's not a lot of option if they go sign Sean Smith, unless you wanna draft Joeckel to make him a RT and make Winston a guard or something.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:31 AM

Well a third for maclin seems good considering we also get a third in compensation for Brandon Carr. Maclin would be better than any reciever who lasts till the third. Plus if we trade back we get back those second round picks.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'd move back to 8 by them giving us their first next year and the 8th pick... Then try to move back to 15 or so adding a 2 or 3 and take a pass rusher or receiver.

I think I'd just take the receiver at 8, asking for next years 1st might be a deal breaker on moving and right now I think they need to move for extra picks more than they need to be hardasses.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There's not a lot of option if they go sign Sean Smith, unless you wanna draft Joeckel to make him a RT and make Winston a guard or something.

No Asamoah is a top 10 Guard he is a bright spot on our line.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

No Asamoah is a top 10 Guard he is a bright spot on our line.

There's another guard spot.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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penbrook LEGEND! Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $10033840	Well a third for maclin seems good considering we also get a third in compensation for Brandon Carr. Maclin would be better than any reciever who lasts till the third. Plus if we trade back we get back those second round picks.
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