Alpha WR's

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I was thinking of the guy that was GM for the Lions that took WRs like 3 1sts in a row... Wrong guy

I am not going to Google but my recollection was Spielman did well for a while then eventually had a few bad drafts and was gone.

But he was successful for many years.

[kccrow]

Either way, I don't know how anyone can conclude that Ladd McConkey is in the same tier as Worthy or Mitchell. He's in that next tier but the drop is substantial.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Either way, I don't know how anyone can conclude that Ladd McConkey is in the same tier as Worthy or Mitchell. He's in that next tier but the drop is substantial.

He's not in the same tier as Mitchell.

He is a better football player than Worthy.


So similar enough tier to Worthy.

I would place McConk high 2nd and Worthy as a mid 2nd to late 2nd.

[Couch-Potato]

Mirror-mirror on the wall,
who's the most alpha of them all?

[JPH83]

I'm not bothered by the 80% comment, I think it was a misguided attempt to suggest there's more in the tank, like a 4.35 40. I do agree on the intelligence of WRs point. I think I said the same somewhere re Moore and Rice that the physical differences mattered but I think the mental ones did too. If one of these guys is an obvious dummy I could probably favour the other.

[Coogs]

This video is probably a Q, but I'm really hoping leaning towards Brian Thomas Jr.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Coogs

This video is probably a Q, but I'm really hoping leaning towards Brian Thomas Jr.

Did you see this one that came out from Luke Easterling?

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/20...hy-rome-odunze


Has Thomas at #9.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Did you see this one that came out from Luke Easterling?

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/20...hy-rome-odunze


Has Thomas at #9.

I had not. He must see the same things I do.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Did you see this one that came out from Luke Easterling?

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/20...hy-rome-odunze


Has Thomas at #9.

lol Damn! I thought you meant #9 WR for a min and I there was a glimmer of hope

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

lol Damn! I thought you meant #9 WR for a min and I there was a glimmer of hope

Me too! 🤣

[kcbubb]

Worthy, Mitchell and Brian Thomas are all gone before we pick. Can yall argue about guys after that? The argument should be about the next tier of guys; Franklin, Coleman, McConkey, Pearsall, Legette, and maybe Walker? Whoever is in this tier is what I’d love to hear y’all argue about.

AD Mitchell is a big WR and he timed fast shows that speed on the field occasionally. Teams are gonna see that and games like the Bama game and salivate. He checks a lot of boxes, especially with his hands and his combine. Someone is gonna fall in love with worthy and take him in the 20’s. Teams covet that speed and deep threat. Worthy has production and shows that speed on the field and his route running isn’t bad either. He flashes great route running. Brian Thomas is big and can run and has production. He’s gone before we pick. AND we haven’t shown that wr is a priority for us. We traded hill and signed guys like MVS. We traded for Toney. We brought Mecole back. We have every reason to believe that the trenches will remain the priority, especially in a draft that’s deep at WR. We are much more likely to have one of these third tier WRs bc that 2nd tier is likely gone before we pick or the chiefs don’t value WR. Either way, we are more likely to have that third tier group of WRs for the chiefs. So, who would you rather have; Coleman, Franklin, mcconkey, pearsall and etc? Who do you like From that group?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Worthy, Mitchell and Brian Thomas are all gone before we pick. Can yall argue about guys after that? The argument should be about the next tier of guys; Franklin, Coleman, McConkey, Pearsall, Legette, and maybe Walker? Whoever is in this tier is what I’d love to hear y’all argue about.

AD Mitchell is a big WR and he timed fast shows that speed on the field occasionally. Teams are gonna see that and games like the Bama game and salivate. He checks a lot of boxes, especially with his hands and his combine. Someone is gonna fall in love with worthy and take him in the 20’s. Teams covet that speed and deep threat. Worthy has production and shows that speed on the field and his route running isn’t bad either. He flashes great route running. Brian Thomas is big and can run and has production. He’s gone before we pick. AND we haven’t shown that wr is a priority for us. We traded hill and signed guys like MVS. We traded for Toney. We brought Mecole back. We have every reason to believe that the trenches will remain the priority, especially in a draft that’s deep at WR. We are much more likely to have one of these third tier WRs bc that 2nd tier is likely gone before we pick or the chiefs don’t value WR. Either way, we are more likely to have that third tier group of WRs for the chiefs. So, who would you rather have; Coleman, Franklin, mcconkey, pearsall and etc? Who do you like
From that group?

The argument is alot about Franklin and Mitchell because both should be there or around there. Either could go a little higher or a little lower. My argument is Mitchell isn't a 1st rounder, his is that Franklin and Worthy both aren't. I'd consider Mitchell if my top 6 were gone. He is basically only considering Mitchell. Does that solve it?

I mean, paralysis by analysis season right? When we start thinking about how great a 40 catch 600 yard WR that ran a great gauntlet is while simultaneously knocking a 1350 yard 80 catch WR that has comps to Chris Olave and DeVonta Smith by guys not named me, then it starts getting weird. At some point what the kids did on the field matters a whole metric ****ton. We can parse that out ad nauseum but there has to be a dividing line where you separate guys by round based on traits/ceiling and production/projection. Just because I think a guy will be good doesn't mean he is that good right now. A guy who is good right now might not have as high of a ceiling as the next guy, etc. Tis the season. They all have warts that need ironing out to some extent or another too. I can say confidently that I'm not worried about Franklin's ability to catch a ball on the football field because he had a shitty gauntlet drill, he's proven that already. Now if it were a 25 catch guy I'm looking at in round 6, then yeah it might matter more.

Anyhow... my rant... I guess if you want to axe all those guys out, I would definitely not take a WR in round 1. I'm not even considering it. Maybe round 2 if the chips fall right. If not, I might push the issue in round 3.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The argument is alot about Franklin and Mitchell because both should be there or around there. Either could go a little higher or a little lower. My argument is Mitchell isn't a 1st rounder, his is that Franklin and Worthy both aren't. I'd consider Mitchell if my top 6 were gone. He is basically only considering Mitchell. Does that solve it?

I mean, paralysis by analysis season right? When we start thinking about how great a 40 catch 600 yard WR that ran a great gauntlet is while simultaneously knocking a 1350 yard 80 catch WR that has comps to Chris Olave and DeVonta Smith by guys not named me, then it starts getting weird. At some point what the kids did on the field matters a whole metric ****ton. We can parse that out ad nauseum but there has to be a dividing line where you separate guys by round based on traits/ceiling and production/projection. Just because I think a guy will be good doesn't mean he is that good right now. A guy who is good right now might not have as high of a ceiling as the next guy, etc. Tis the season. They all have warts that need ironing out to some extent or another too. I can say confidently that I'm not worried about Franklin's ability to catch a ball on the football field because he had a shitty gauntlet drill, he's proven that already. Now if it were a 25 catch guy I'm looking at in round 6, then yeah it might matter more.

Anyhow... my rant... I guess if you want to axe all those guys out, I would definitely not take a WR in round 1. I'm not even considering it. Maybe round 2 if the chips fall right. If not, I might push the issue in round 3.

I loved both players coming out. Don't see those comps at all.

I was higher on Olave than almost anyone. Olave does not play like Worthy.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I loved both players coming out. Don't see those comps at all.

I was higher on Olave than almost anyone. Olave does not play like Worthy.

That particular comp reference is for Franklin, not Worthy. And the other was for Coleman, though I'm probably off a few catches. I'm just spouting about how ridiculous this time of year gets before it settles back closer to a two months ago come the draft.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

That particular comp reference is for Franklin, not Worthy. And the other was for Coleman, though I'm probably off a few catches. I'm just spouting about how ridiculous this time of year gets before it settles back closer to a two months ago come the draft.

Ok. But I don't see Olave/Franklin either.


Keep in mind, Olave went 11th overall.


Olave far better route runner, better COD, and faster initially.

Franklin's combine showed exactly what I saw in his games...he takes a while to get to top speed.