From a guy who wasn't able to watch today... what was good/bad?

[RealSNR]

Summarize the game for me in only the way Chiefs Planet can. I don't want to read what the paid homer BJ Kissel or anyone on Arrowhead Pride has to say.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He looks like a solid situational pass rusher.

That's pretty much all he was good at in college and all we should expect...

I think you're right.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think he's improved, whatsoever.

Same arm, same smarts.

After four years, it's time to move on.

I thought the same thing. I expected him to show better. Murray looked like the better QB to me.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

On a positive note, Allen Bailey looks more intimidating than ever.

That stood out to me, too. He looks huge.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by TEX

I think you're right.

To me this is like the Fisher thing.

It's not his fault we drafted him no 1.

Everyone wants to put "but he was our no 1 pick!" label on people. It's not the player's fault where they were drafted. It's not the player's fault there were better options on the board when he was drafted.

Hate the GM/HC - not the player.

And I think Ford can be a top pass rushing OLB in this D. If he takes Hali's role he'll be fine. It's not like Hali does much other than rush the passer (yes, I understand Hali is solid vs. the run.)

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Lzen

That stood out to me, too. He looks huge.

He's grown into a perfect 3-4 DE.

[JimNasium]

Originally Posted by Rausch

If we were still arguing no 2 or no 3 I'd say Murray then Bray.

Since this is likely for the 3rd (and last) QB spot I'd take Bray. Murray looked like a more "mature" and experienced QB, better suited for a no 2 role, but Bray's upside is much bigger.

Since we're talking about that 3rd spot I'd prefer that low risk/low cost/high reward situation...

I'm still in shock that we are debating the third string quarterback. I still have PTSD from that hot mess of a quarterbacking crew that Haley had to choose from.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by JimNasium

I'm still in shock that we are debating the third string quarterback. I still have PTSD from that hot mess of a quarterbacking crew that Haley had to choose from.

We can argue just how good our legit-starting-QB is but we do have one.

We can argue just how good our b/u QB is but we do have a legit b/u.

I guess we can argue 3rd QB but...meh...whatever.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Rausch

If we were still arguing no 2 or no 3 I'd say Murray then Bray.

Since this is likely for the 3rd (and last) QB spot I'd take Bray. Murray looked like a more "mature" and experienced QB, better suited for a no 2 role, but Bray's upside is much bigger.

Since we're talking about that 3rd spot I'd prefer that low risk/low cost/high reward situation...

Bray is never going to be the starter for this team.

At this point, I'm more concerned about what we would have if Smith went down for 6 weeks - then our #3 becomes our #2. If Foles gets dinged for a couple of drives; needs some work done on his non-throwing hand or something, Bray's dumb ass will chuck a few into traffic and we'll either get turnovers or 3 and outs for our trouble.

Murray could keep the wheels on.

The QB that takes the reigns after Smith is either Foles or isn't on this roster at all. That being the case, Bray is well on his way to playing his way off the team. It was a piss poor effort and did little but confirm all the concerns people have had about him since his college days.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

When did Tinkerbell sub in?

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[O.city]

Yeah, bray doesn't look any different than he did 3 years ago.

Pass.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I was hoping that Ford could step up this year. That play where the RB bounced to the outside to beat Ford around the corner was bad. He still showed the occasional flash at getting pressure but really did nothing otherwise.
I guess you could say that I'm disappointed. If he doesn't start to show something then it's looking like he's a bust.

Yeah, I'm starting to sour on him pretty quickly.

I still don't think he's been put where the Chiefs have always wanted to put him; the weak side OLB. But we're seeing more and more that it's really his only chance to succeed long-term.

Maybe he's only ever a situational pass rusher but the football smarts just don't seem to be there. So the way to put him in a position to succeed is to make the game simpler for him. Honestly, it doesn't get a hell of a lot simpler than what Tamba Hali is doing at ROLB. See QB, hit QB. Perhaps he can settle into that role but it's looking more and more like we're in trouble if we need him to step up at the strong side.

It's probably also worth noting that Moses made most of his noise from the weak side, as did Nicolas. If we want an apples to apples comparison (and frankly, we need one at this point), I think the staff needs to get those guys more reps at game speed on the strong side.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I'm starting to sour on him pretty quickly.

I still don't think he's been put where the Chiefs have always wanted to put him; the weak side OLB. But we're seeing more and more that it's really his only chance to succeed long-term.

Maybe he's only ever a situational pass rusher but the football smarts just don't seem to be there. So the way to put him in a position to succeed is to make the game simpler for him. Honestly, it doesn't get a hell of a lot simpler than what Tamba Hali is doing at ROLB. See QB, hit QB. Perhaps he can settle into that role but it's looking more and more like we're in trouble if we need him to step up at the strong side.

It's probably also worth noting that Moses made most of his noise from the weak side, as did Nicolas. If we want an apples to apples comparison (and frankly, we need one at this point), I think the staff needs to get those guys more reps at game speed on the strong side.

I still think Dee can be a good pass rusher even though his run defense seems awful. He never got a chance to rush this game. Wilson kept doing quick 3 step drops and the ball was out in 2 seconds.

He had one play where he had a chance and he flashed the bull rush and got his hand up. Even if he's a situational pass rusher I'll be happy bc we need that pressure so bad.

I was very impressed with Moses and Nicolas and want to see them more. Nicolas is getting work with the 2's today so that's great. Hope he keeps it up.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I'm starting to sour on him pretty quickly.

I still don't think he's been put where the Chiefs have always wanted to put him; the weak side OLB. But we're seeing more and more that it's really his only chance to succeed long-term.

Maybe he's only ever a situational pass rusher but the football smarts just don't seem to be there. So the way to put him in a position to succeed is to make the game simpler for him. Honestly, it doesn't get a hell of a lot simpler than what Tamba Hali is doing at ROLB. See QB, hit QB. Perhaps he can settle into that role but it's looking more and more like we're in trouble if we need him to step up at the strong side.

It's probably also worth noting that Moses made most of his noise from the weak side, as did Nicolas. If we want an apples to apples comparison (and frankly, we need one at this point), I think the staff needs to get those guys more reps at game speed on the strong side.

You're the only other person to bring up the WOLB vs. SOLB thing with Ford. CP really needs to learn the difference.

[DJ's left nut]

Just a few offensive notes to toss in there:

Ehinger looked savvy but undersized. He played a more polished game than I expected, but he's going to get stood up a lot out there. In the run game, I especially worry about guys getting into his pads, getting him upright due to a lack of functional strength and then just blowing him backwards to destroy plays. He showed promise but he also showed the one thing that I just don't think can be fixed in-season and that's the lack of NFL strength. I know we're excited about continuity, but I think I'd prefer Fulton right now. He'd a road grader and while he's not going to be an asset in the stretch plays, etc... that we run, he'll be a better straight ahead blocker and I think he's less likely to get detonated in pass pro.

I worry that Hill's on his way to that nasty middle where we do things specifically to get the ball into his hands that are not within the flow of the offense. It's the kind of thing that made McCluster a liability even when he was effective and I believe DAT would've been the same thing. Andy likes having a gimmick player but then screws up offensive flow with those one-route offensive plays where everyone else just kinda watches or blocks. If Hill is going to be a true difference maker, it needs to be as the X and I don't think Reid envisions that, at least not based on his early usage.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The QB that takes the reigns after Smith is either Foles or isn't on this roster at all.