Eagles trade with Browns for #2 pick

[The Franchise]

For the second time in less than a week, an NFL team has made a bold move to potentially draft a franchise quarterback.

The Philadelphia Eagles acquired the No. 2 overall pick of the 2016 NFL Draft in a trade with the Cleveland Browns on Wednesday, the Eagles announced. Philadelphia will receive a 2017 fourth-round pick along with the No. 2 pick in exchange for five picks, including this year's and next year's first rounders.

The deal puts Philadelphia in a prime position to select one of the two quarterbacks that every NFL Media draft analyst has projected as the first players set to be taken off the draft board in Chicago on April 28. Cal's Jared Goff and North Dakota State's Carson Wentz are expected to be the first two selections of the draft.

For the Eagles, the move to No. 2 gives executive vice president Howie Roseman and new coach Doug Pederson a promising opportunity to mold the direction of the franchise for years to come. Last year's offseason acquisition of Sam Bradford -- a former No. 1 overall pick -- did little to bolster the Eagles' offense in 2015. Until Tuesday, the Eagles were poised go with Bradford and former Kansas City Chiefs backup Chase Daniel as their quarterbacks for 2016.

The Eagles-Browns trade comes six days after the Los Angeles Rams pulled off a blockbuster deal with the Tennessee Titans to secure the draft's No. 1 overall pick.

Around The NFL will have more on the trade soon.

The Philadelphia Eagles acquired the No. 2 overall pick of the 2016 NFL Draft in a trade with the Cleveland Browns on Wednesday, the Eagles announced. Philadelphia will receive a 2017 fourth-round pick along with the No. 2 pick in exchange for five picks. The five picks Philly gave up are the No. 8, No. 77 (third round) and No. 100 (fourth round) selections in this year's draft, along with next year's first-round pick and a second-round pick in 2018.

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by splatbass

How drunk are you?

how stupid are YOU?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by splatbass

The Browns have had 24 starting QBs since 1999. Many of them high draft picks. They suck at drafting QBs. They are much better off getting extra draft picks and building the rest of the team, then worrying about a QB.

This is a really good deal for Cleveland.

I would agree in terms of gaining picks that can help the team be filled out better. However, I'd never trade out of the #2 spot when there is a potential franchise QB staring me in the face and I need a QB desperately.

SF might take Lynch at 7. Then what does Cleveland do? I think Dak Prescott is going to be a steal at QB in this draft, so maybe they go that route if Denver doesn't draft him at the end of 1.

I dunno, Cleveland may very well have shot themselves in the foot.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Not sure if this has been mentioned-- but it's kinda insane, the plot of Draft Day has played out before our very eyes.

If you recall in the movie, the Browns trade up to allegedly select their QBOTF, while already having a veteran QB who had been dealing with past injury problems and unreached potential.

Well, now the Eagles have done exactly that. I didn't think of it until I read that Sam Bradford was pissed off about it, made me think of that goofy ass scene in the movie where the vet QB trashed the GM's office.

If only that really happened...

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Not sure if this has been mentioned-- but it's kinda insane, the plot of Draft Day has played out before our very eyes.

If you recall in the movie, the Browns trade up to allegedly select their QBOTF, while already having a veteran QB who had been dealing with past injury problems and unreached potential.

Well, now the Eagles have done exactly that. I didn't think of it until I read that Sam Bradford was pissed off about it, made me think of that goofy ass scene in the movie where the vet QB trashed the GM's office.

If only that really happened...

You know, I keep thinking, what is Sam Bradford so pissed off about? I mean, the guy signed a 2 year contract. TWO. He had to have seen the writing on the wall right then and there that his future replacement was going to be drafted right now. It's the perfect scenario this year with this QB group, sit the guy for his first year, at a minimum, and let him learn behind an established veteran. Sam Bradford doesn't have a right to be pissed off. He signed the contract; a contract that, at his age, proved full well that the Eagles had absolutely no intention of making him the long-term solution.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I would agree in terms of gaining picks that can help the team be filled out better. However, I'd never trade out of the #2 spot when there is a potential franchise QB staring me in the face and I need a QB desperately.

They drafted a potential franchise QB two years ago. And 4 years ago. And 6 years ago. And 9 years ago. How has that worked out for them? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It is time they tried something different.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by splatbass

They drafted a potential franchise QB two years ago. And 4 years ago. And 6 years ago. And 9 years ago. How has that worked out for them? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It is time they tried something different.

Well, you look at what they did too and it is cause for concern.

Manziel at 22
Weeden at 22
Quinn at 22
McCoy at 85 in the 3rd


From a statistical standpoint, usually not alot of success with QBs picked at that point in the draft. Personally, I don't expect a 3rd round pick to be a franchise QB, it rarely happens. I'm not considering McCoy.

Manziel had major concerns over character coming out. The Browns were at #4 and traded down, also passing on Sammy Watkins (whom they definitely needed). They could have used their multiple picks, including their #22 pick, to trade up to 2 for Bortles. They could have drafted Bridgewater or Carr. It's bad evaluation.

Weeden, in 2010, was a terrible reach on an old player with alot of question marks. Again, they made a bad evaluation and passed on Ryan Tannehill, who they could have gotten at 4, and instead traded up to 3 for a bust in Trent Richardson.

Quinn is the only one where I thought they made a good decision. I thought Quinn was going to be a good pro and worth the shot.

This year, they were positioned to get one of the top 2 passers in the draft, both of whom look like franchise level players of at least a Matt Ryan pedigree. They did what they normally do this year, which is pass on the top QB(s) or trade down away from the top QB(s) to get more picks. They will probably continue do what they have normally done, which is pick a lesser QB by moving up into the late 1st or in the early 2nd round. That is the irony of the situation. While you think they are doing something new, it very much looks like they are doing again exactly what they've done in the past.

[ChiefGator]

Yeah, if I was a Browns fan, I would be pretty pissed.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Philly and Pederson not following the Chiefs model either

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Well, you look at what they did too and it is cause for concern.

Manziel at 22
Weeden at 22
Quinn at 22
McCoy at 85 in the 3rd


From a statistical standpoint, usually not alot of success with QBs picked at that point in the draft. Personally, I don't expect a 3rd round pick to be a franchise QB, it rarely happens. I'm not considering McCoy.

Manziel had major concerns over character coming out. The Browns were at #4 and traded down, also passing on Sammy Watkins (whom they definitely needed). They could have used their multiple picks, including their #22 pick, to trade up to 2 for Bortles. They could have drafted Bridgewater or Carr. It's bad evaluation.

Weeden, in 2010, was a terrible reach on an old player with alot of question marks. Again, they made a bad evaluation and passed on Ryan Tannehill, who they could have gotten at 4, and instead traded up to 3 for a bust in Trent Richardson.

Quinn is the only one where I thought they made a good decision. I thought Quinn was going to be a good pro and worth the shot.

This year, they were positioned to get one of the top 2 passers in the draft, both of whom look like franchise level players of at least a Matt Ryan pedigree. They did what they normally do this year, which is pass on the top QB(s) or trade down away from the top QB(s) to get more picks. They will probably continue do what they have normally done, which is pick a lesser QB by moving up into the late 1st or in the early 2nd round. That is the irony of the situation. While you think they are doing something new, it very much looks like they are doing again exactly what they've done in the past.

See, I dunno about wentz. Frankly, I'm not sure either of these top 2 qbs are ever anything more than above average or good.

That's not a bad thing, but I dunno that I'd trade up that much for it.

And also, I'm starting to go the other way on a qb sitting for a year or more.

[CleveSteve]

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Yeah, if I was a Browns fan, I would be pretty pissed.

not pissed.

[The Franchise]

If I'm a Browns fan.....I'm happy. This team lacks actual ****ing talent and needs to be gutted. Drafting a QB at #2 isn't going to fix that franchise right now. Build up the talent level and depth and roll with RG3 or McCown right now. Believe me.....they'll be drafting high again next year. They'll have more opportunities to draft a franchise QB.

[CleveSteve]

Originally Posted by O.city

See, I dunno about wentz. Frankly, I'm not sure either of these top 2 qbs are ever anything more than above average or good.

That's not a bad thing, but I dunno that I'd trade up that much for it.

And also, I'm starting to go the other way on a qb sitting for a year or more.

Yuuuuup. Drafting a guy higher doesn't make him better.

They year they drafted Brady Quinn at 22, Jamarcus Russell went #1. Should they have traded up to number 1 to take Jamarcus Russell instead of trading back up to #22? Would they be better off?

2007, 2010, 2013 had no good QBs. Sometimes, there just aren't good QBs. It's 2016. Not saying there's a rule that says none of the QBs will pan out every three years, but statistically speaking it's not improbable.

That being said, I don't think they would have traded down if the Rams were taking Wentz. Wentz and Goff have the same agent. Both teams that traded up know exactly who they are getting. Michael Silver is BFFs with Hue Jackson and he has made it pretty clear throughout that Hue Jackson wanted Goff but did not say much about Wentz related to the Browns.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Not sure if this has been mentioned-- but it's kinda insane, the plot of Draft Day has played out before our very eyes.

If you recall in the movie, the Browns trade up to allegedly select their QBOTF, while already having a veteran QB who had been dealing with past injury problems and unreached potential.

Well, now the Eagles have done exactly that. I didn't think of it until I read that Sam Bradford was pissed off about it, made me think of that goofy ass scene in the movie where the vet QB trashed the GM's office.

If only that really happened...

Bradford was about to trash Roseman's office but when he got there he found Pederson nailing the office secretary on the desk, so he tip-toed away, but then sadly tore his ACL in the process.

[Chiefnj2]

The last top 10 QB the Browns drafted was Couch. They haven't at the top of the draft in 16 years. They've used plenty of draft picks on late first, 2nd and 3rd round QB's but haven't committed early in recent years. They blew a really good chance this year.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

If I'm a Browns fan.....I'm happy. This team lacks actual ****ing talent and needs to be gutted. Drafting a QB at #2 isn't going to fix that franchise right now. Build up the talent level and depth and roll with RG3 or McCown right now. Believe me.....they'll be drafting high again next year. They'll have more opportunities to draft a franchise QB.

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