Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 117

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

**The Franchise** · 12-23-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Yeah, but, come on, man LOL

What? What is wrong with crediting the Special Teams unit for a special teams play?

RunKC · 12-23-2016, 02:31 PM

Without the 2 disastrous Alex Endzone INT's, KC is 12-2 and tied for 1 seed

CupidStunt · 12-23-2016, 03:27 PM

You guys are ****ing obsessed with the regular season.

The only thing that matters is that, other than some fluke like playing vs Houston, we will have the worst QB on the field in every single game we play. And because of the way the NFL has changed, the only thing that really matters these days is how good your QB is. To win in any other way -- e.g. fluky special teams big plays or a historically dominant defense -- is the exception to the rule.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The lack of offensive scoring has been evident all season. But pointing that out elicits a call for being banned on the account of being a troll or is waved away as being obsessed about fantasy football.

Gotta' love that "fantasy football"-defense; the ultimate tap-out when reason and logic kick your ass.

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

The defense shouldered more blame in the TB game. ESPN, PFF clearly showed Smith was effective when the ball was in his hands. His INT with 11 minutes left wasn't the nail in the coffin, the defense had two different series to hold the Bucs but they didn't. And the Bucs won 5 straight including that game so the folk that were crying about losing to a crap team ended up being wrong.

Why we dwell on the past and not look forward to the future is beyond me.

It is not the responsibility of the defense to score points or to carry the QB through games to victory. If you knew more than a kitten chasing a shiny object, this might possibly be apparent to you.

And we definitely look forward to a Smith-free future.

RunKC · 12-23-2016, 04:42 PM

Interesting fact from Mellinger's article:

Without the ST's and defensive TD's, the Chiefs rank 23rd in points per game from their offense.

Sandy Vagina · 12-23-2016, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

this exact gameplan lost us TB and TEN. And lost us playoff games again and again.

You play to WIN the game, not to "not lose".

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Originally Posted by RunKC

If Alex didn't throw that disastrous INT and get a FG we win

Hmmm... let me know if you can find the contradiction here.

On the other note... You just nailed the point that I have been arguing earlier today in bold. Thanks.

RunKC · 12-23-2016, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Hmmm... let me know if you can find the contradiction here.

On the other note... You just nailed the point that I have been arguing earlier today in bold. Thanks.

I said the point is to play to win. Staring down WR's and throwing into double coverage isn't playing to win...it's playing like a goddamn reerun.

But we were told Alex doesn't lose games bc he is smart.

Discuss Thrower · 12-23-2016, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I said the point is to play to win. Staring down WR's and throwing into double coverage isn't playing to win...it's playing like a goddamn reerun.

But we were told Alex doesn't lose games bc he is smart.

Smith being a leader in sacks was supposedly evidence of just how smart he is and not any sort of signal that he holds on to the ball way too long waiting for a pre-selected receiver to come upon.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2016, 05:33 PM

I'm trying very hard to imagine a QB in red and gold making multiple reads within a 5 second window, then choosing the appropriate target.

It is something that has not been seen in many moons.

ToxSocks · 12-23-2016, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit

I'm trying very hard to imagine a QB in red and gold making multiple reads within a 5 second window, then choosing the appropriate target.

It is something that has not been seen in many moons.

5 Seconds is an eternity. Alex Smith could make multiple reads in a 5 second window.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

5 Seconds is an eternity. Alex Smith could make multiple reads in a 5 second window.

I dare say he couldn't and won't. But yes, that is a very generous window.

**New World Order** · 12-23-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

5 Seconds is an eternity. Alex Smith could make multiple reads in a 5 second window.

When you say multiple reads you mean staring at his first target for 4 seconds and then looking at the second target followed by him getting pancaked.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2016, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

When you say multiple reads you mean staring at his first target for 4 seconds and then looking at the second target followed by him getting pancaked.

What is the appropriate window? 2 seconds? 3 seconds?

I would say somewhere between 2 and 3.

**SAUTO** · 12-23-2016, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

It's not the wrong play. They had things in their favor, the defender just made a complete guess. Maclin is a real competitor and gives credit where it belong...but the defender completely lucked out.

Maclin is back, and he played a productive game 75% reception rate with over 80 yards on just 6 receptions. I like where our team is headed and for once seems decently healthy. It's the run defense that worries me the most down the stretch. If that gets shored up, we can go toe-to-toe with ANY team in the playoff race.

The majority of the times Alex killed a play at the line last week the play was stuffed...

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 12-23-2016, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Oh, all kinds of decent conversation has been provided to you by many on here, but none of it fits your agenda and you block it all out.

Until you accept that Alex has in no way performed either like a 1.1 draft pick or a 12 year vet and in doing so has cost this team at the worst of times in his four years here, you are a full fledged idiot and a mouth breathing homer to the rest of us.

The 'kid' comment was directed at cupid btw

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $1133332	You guys are ****ing obsessed with the regular season. The only thing that matters is that, other than some fluke like playing vs Houston, we will have the worst QB on the field in every single game we play. And because of the way the NFL has changed, the only thing that really matters these days is how good your QB is. To win in any other way -- e.g. fluky special teams big plays or a historically dominant defense -- is the exception to the rule.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $759611	Interesting fact from Mellinger's article: Without the ST's and defensive TD's, the Chiefs rank 23rd in points per game from their offense. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	I'm trying very hard to imagine a QB in red and gold making multiple reads within a 5 second window, then choosing the appropriate target. It is something that has not been seen in many moons.
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