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***Official 2016 STL Cardinals Thread***
  • 2011 World Series Championship
  • 2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
  • 2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
  • 2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
  • 2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.
  • Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
  • 67 post season wins since 2004. 24+ wins more than any other team.
SI article on our off season, Gives us a "A". ??:
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2015 III thread:
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2015 II thread:
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2015 I thread:
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:30 PM   #1696
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They've been playing pretty well lately, but I don't know about starting Garcia on three days rest.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:49 PM   #1697
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They've been playing pretty well lately, but I don't know about starting Garcia on three days rest.
Me either. He'll either go full pussy and last 3 innings or throw a gem.
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Old 07-29-2016, 10:00 PM   #1698
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They've been playing pretty well lately, but I don't know about starting Garcia on three days rest.
11-5 since the All-Star break. 4/5 on the road against possible playoff teams. Thats probably the best run they have had all year.

Lyons will have to pitch multiple innings tomorrow. They went through all the scrubs tonight. Tomorrow it will have to be our better pitchers out of the pen even if it is a blow out.

We will see Reyes on Sunday. Does that mean his clock starts and counts to the end of the year even if he is sent back down after the start?
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11-5 since the All-Star break. 4/5 on the road against possible playoff teams. Thats probably the best run they have had all year.

Lyons will have to pitch multiple innings tomorrow. They went through all the scrubs tonight. Tomorrow it will have to be our better pitchers out of the pen even if it is a blow out.

We will see Reyes on Sunday. Does that mean his clock starts and counts to the end of the year even if he is sent back down after the start?
Reyes' clock only ticks as long as he's up here. It would, however, count as an option year.

If Lyons is going to pitch several innings you're better off just having him start the game and seeing how far he can go. From there you can transition to Williams, who can also work several innings. Then it's your bridge to late in the game.

Then start Garcia on normal rest on Sunday.

This idea makes no sense to me.
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11-5 since the All-Star break. 4/5 on the road against possible playoff teams. Thats probably the best run they have had all year.

Lyons will have to pitch multiple innings tomorrow. They went through all the scrubs tonight. Tomorrow it will have to be our better pitchers out of the pen even if it is a blow out.

We will see Reyes on Sunday. Does that mean his clock starts and counts to the end of the year even if he is sent back down after the start?
Where have you seen Reyes will be coming up on Sunday?
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Where have you seen Reyes will be coming up on Sunday?
The papers in Memphis said it was the reason they were given when asked why he was pulled. Not that he is defintely coming up but for insurance in case they use Lyons. I got the link to the articles from Twitter.
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Reyes' clock only ticks as long as he's up here. It would, however, count as an option year.
So he throws one game and we lose a whole year of control? That sounds really stupid.
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Reyes' clock only ticks as long as he's up here. It would, however, count as an option year.

If Lyons is going to pitch several innings you're better off just having him start the game and seeing how far he can go. From there you can transition to Williams, who can also work several innings. Then it's your bridge to late in the game.

Then start Garcia on normal rest on Sunday.

This idea makes no sense to me.
That approach seems far more reasonable.
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So he throws one game and we lose a whole year of control? That sounds really stupid.
EDIT: My initial explanation was incorrect.

You get three option years while a team still has your initial rights.

Putting a player on the 40 man roster counts as an option year in and of itself. So this is Reyes' first option year.

What this means:

Say Reyes gets called up after spending time in the minors next year. That's his second option year. Then it happens in 2018. That's his third. Say 2019 roles around and they consider sending him down again (nightmare scenario). If that happened, they would have to place him through waivers first, because he would have exhausted those three previous option years.

No, they don't lose a year of control, it just affects the number of years they could send him down to the minors while still retaining his rights. If he isn't a big disappointment, it shouldn't be a problem, but there is a cost attached to having someone on the 40 man.

If he's up one day then he only has one day of service time. Service time is all that matters for Super Two and FA status for guys you normally care about keeping.

There are some players who can rarely qualify for a fourth year option, but it wouldn't be relevant here.
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The papers in Memphis said it was the reason they were given when asked why he was pulled. Not that he is defintely coming up but for insurance in case they use Lyons. I got the link to the articles from Twitter.
Yes I had seen that. But since they decided to start Jaime tonight my impression was they weren't calling up Reyes.
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EDIT: My initial explanation was incorrect.

You get three option years while a team still has your initial rights.

Putting a player on the 40 man roster counts as an option year in and of itself. So this is Reyes' first option year.

What this means:

Say Reyes gets called up after spending time in the minors next year. That's his second option year. Then it happens in 2018. That's his third. Say 2019 roles around and they consider sending him down again (nightmare scenario). If that happened, they would have to place him through waivers first, because he would have exhausted those three previous option years.

No, they don't lose a year of control, it just affects the number of years they could send him down to the minors while still retaining his rights. If he isn't a big disappointment, it shouldn't be a problem, but there is a cost attached to having someone on the 40 man.
Whew.....
Yeah if he is getting yanked up and down in the minors for 3 years then he wasn't the possible #1 pitcher we need so his years of control are not that valuable or calling him up that impactful.
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Whew.....
Yeah if he is getting yanked up and down in the minors for 3 years then he wasn't the possible #1 pitcher we need so his years of control are not that valuable or calling him up that impactful.
He'll just be moved to the bullpen permanently.
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Good call starting the mentally fragile piece of shit on short rest and taking him out of his precious routine, Matheny.
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I just want to kick Matheny right in the nuts. Garcia looks so out of wack it's not even funny and now Lyons is up in the bullpen. He should've started to begin with if you weren't going to bring up Reyes.
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