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Old 12-11-2014, 08:45 PM  
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2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance

  • Made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
  • Only 1 losing season since 2000.
  • Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
  • Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
  • Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
  • 65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.
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Old 06-03-2015, 09:52 PM   #1696
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Well, it's time to stsrt giving Jays ab's to Grichuk. Bernie bring it up, but I like the holliday, grichuk, Heyward outfiekd.
Too late to get a refund on that turd Heyward?
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Meh, that turds actually respectable at the plate now.
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Old 06-04-2015, 10:15 AM   #1698
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Meh, that turds actually respectable at the plate now.
Was never worth Shelby
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Old 06-04-2015, 10:17 AM   #1699
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Was never worth Shelby
It was worth moving Shelby so Martinez could move into the rotation. Paired with acquiring a player of Heywards potential and ability, it was.
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Old 06-04-2015, 10:26 AM   #1700
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Was never worth Shelby
Shelby's rearview mirror value to this organization has gone up tenfold; it's pretty funny to see, really.

Shelby was a stalled prospect with #3 starter stuff. He still only has #3 starter stuff but you're welcome to trust him if you'd like.

I hate losing the team control, but Wacha, Lynn and Martinez are all better bets than him long-term and Garcia's a better pitcher than him when healthy. He's a two-pitch pitcher who relies on fastball command...and has erratic fastball command.

The guy has a .215 BABIP against despite a LD rate that pretty much average - that's impossibly low and not at all sustainable. His strand rate is 12% higher than league average which is also largely a luck metric. His HR/FB rate is about 2/3 of league average as well and virtually anyone will concede that pitchers have essentially zero control over that one as well. In his defense, his groundball rate has increased substantially and that's a very good thing, but that still only takes him from the 4th starter he was for most of his duration in STL to a 3rd starter now in ATL.

There's a reason the guy's FIP stands at 3.55 and xFIP at 4.08. To act like we gave up some organizational darling and surefire future #1 is just ridiculous. Shelby Miller was a fine pitcher and the kind of guy you'd like to have in your organization. He's also the sort of player you trade every single time when you have a pool of starters 8 deep and one legitimate possible corner OF option - Grichuck - who hadn't proven he could hit quality RH pitching and could not possibly have been just handed the starting RF job after we had the worst RF situation in the majors the year before.
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Shelby's rearview mirror value to this organization has gone up tenfold; it's pretty funny to see, really.

Shelby was a stalled prospect with #3 starter stuff. He still only has #3 starter stuff but you're welcome to trust him if you'd like.
This organization knows when to trade prospects. Brett Wallace and Rasmus were well thought of by some in baseball. People thought Craig would turn it around and Kelley was a #3-#4 starter. I'm sure the Braves wanted Martinez over Miller.
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Grichuck - who hadn't proven he could hit quality RH pitching and could not possibly have been just handed the starting RF job after we had the worst RF situation in the majors the year before.
After our offensive showing last year, the fan base would have been super pissed if they went into the year with Grichuk as the starter in RF with no challengers.
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I hate losing the team control, but Wacha, Lynn and Martinez are all better bets than him long-term and Garcia's a better pitcher than him when healthy
Wacha/Martinez/Reyes/Kaminsky in 2017 should be a good staff.
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Jay can't drive the ball at all. Maybe its the thumb but he has always been a slap hitter anyway.

I'm not on board with Grichuk is a long term solution to CF or Hollidays replacement at the #3 hole in 2017. But, right now it is obvious that he should be getting a full time role in CF and lets see if he seizes the opportunity.
And of course Grichuk is sitting and Jay is playing. When asked why. Matheny responded.............

"There's really no rhyme or reason at this point, except what do we feel best about right now?" said manager Mike Matheny.
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Mo needs to just trade jay.

Hell Bourjos needs to play center
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Mo needs to just trade jay.

Hell Bourjos needs to play center
He has no value right now but Mo may need to take the Jay option off the table.

Matheny is too close to his players. He would have kept Craig in there batting 4th all season thinking he will come around at any time.
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Jesus...the reeruned baserunning on this team is clearly contagious at this point.
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