Pats Cheating Comfirmed

[PizzaDoughz]

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

The NFL's **process** unquestionably sucked. If you wanted to be sure that balls were at 12.5 PSI for the entire game, then you should have a much better process, including one that takes atmospheric issues into account.

If it was "atmospheric issues" it would have affected the balls of both teams which were in the same conditions.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Colts' balls still correctly inflated? So it doesn't matter if the weather could theoretically cause the drop in pressure. If only one team's balls were under inflated then there has to be another explanation besides weather since they were both exposed to the same elements.

That's the one point that seems to be repeatedly flying over numerous people's heads. I don't know why I keep clicking on the crap being posted because it's the same bullshit over and over.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I guess I'm in the Super Minority because my Give-A-Shit Meter is still stuck at zero.

Playing with an under-inflated ball during the first half didn't make the Patriots receivers and running backs run faster, it didn't make the blockers open better holes and it didn't help the Patriots defense hold the Colts to seven points.

Apparently, it didn't make the Patriots offense any better either, as they scored 17 points in the first half with the under-inflated ball and 28 points in the second half with a properly inflated ball.

The Patriots are the best team in the AFC. End of story. A dopey ball wouldn't change that.

If I prepare a cheat sheet and tuck it into my sleeve before a test, but I never end up pulling it out because I end up remembering enough to pass the test, am I still a cheater?

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

How many seconds would it take to get the right bag and unzip it and fish 12 balls out?

How many seconds to get the psi gauge/ pump/ deflator out?

How many seconds would it take to lower ONE ball by 1.8 psi?

How many seconds to put the balls back in, zip up, and open the door?

I was being WAY generous by saying 7 seconds per Ball

This sounds impossible...

Who says they were all deflated to the same amount? If the Patriots did this in the AFCCG then I guarantee it wasn't the first time. It wouldn't be a stretch to suggest whoever did this has done it plenty of times before. Perhaps he knows that sticking a pin in the hole to let out some air for let's say a second or two would decrease the PSI by approximately 2. With previous practice doing this that would be pretty easy to manage over 90 seconds and 12 balls.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Who says they were all deflated to the same amount? If the Patriots did this in the AFCCG then I guarantee it wasn't the first time. It wouldn't be a stretch to suggest whoever did this has done it plenty of times before. Perhaps he knows that sticking a pin in the hole to let out some air for let's say a second or two would decrease the PSI by approximately 2. With previous practice doing this that would be pretty easy to manage over 90 seconds and 12 balls.

You need to get in touch with the league. Your guarantee is probably all they've been waiting for to put this whole thing to bed.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

If I prepare a cheat sheet and tuck it into my sleeve before a test, but I never end up pulling it out because I end up remembering enough to pass the test, am I still a cheater?

If the Colts balls were 13.5 at kickoff and 12.5 when checked, and the Patriots balls were 12.5 at kickoff and 11.5 when checked, I don't think there's a real problem.

Until someone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the balls were intentionally and purposely deflated to gain an advantage, personally, I'll just chock it up to the internets because otherwise, this story really isn't a story.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

That's the one point that seems to be repeatedly flying over numerous people's heads. I don't know why I keep clicking on the crap being posted because it's the same bullshit over and over.

I'm not saying it happened, but different prep conditions could easily account for that. I'd guess that's been brought up about a billion times on this thread. Hasn't it?

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I'm not saying it happened, but different prep conditions could easily account for that. I'd guess that's been brought up about a billion times on this thread. Hasn't it?

Exactly how different can the prep conditions be? It's not that complicated. It's not like one team inflates their balls with water and the other with sand. They both inflate them indoors in the same facility where there simply can't be a huge variance in conditions.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the Colts balls were 13.5 at kickoff and 12.5 when checked, and the Patriots balls were 12.5 at kickoff and 11.5 when checked, I don't think there's a real problem.

Until someone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the balls were intentionally and purposely deflated to gain an advantage, personally, I'll just chock it up to the internets because otherwise, this story really isn't a story.

That didn't really answer my question.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Exactly how different can the prep conditions be? It's not that complicated. It's not like one team inflates their balls with water and the other with sand. They both inflate them indoors in the same facility where there simply can't be a huge variance in conditions.

They can be significantly different.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I'm not saying it happened, but different prep conditions could easily account for that. I'd guess that's been brought up about a billion times on this thread. Hasn't it?

Oh, we're back to the "prep conditions" angle now? I do have to admit it's hard to keep track of all the different deflections you and Asterix keep throwing around.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

That's 7 seconds per ball to get them out, figure out which were pats and which were colts, and deflate them, and put them back in the bag


Lol

Ok

After the refs check the balls each team takes control of their own balls. The Colts balls were not in the same bag.

[Joe Seahawk]

Belloicheck says the way they rub their balls make them harder and they go soft a bit later. Why would he say that?😃

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I guess I'm in the Super Minority because my Give-A-Shit Meter is still stuck at zero.

Playing with an under-inflated ball during the first half didn't make the Patriots receivers and running backs run faster, it didn't make the blockers open better holes and it didn't help the Patriots defense hold the Colts to seven points.

Apparently, it didn't make the Patriots offense any better either, as they scored 17 points in the first half with the under-inflated ball and 28 points in the second half with a properly inflated ball.

The Patriots are the best team in the AFC. End of story. A dopey ball wouldn't change that.

That is post hoc rationalization.

If we're going to judge DELIBERATE rule breaking on the basis of whether it made a difference after all, just get rid of the rules altogether.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

If I prepare a cheat sheet and tuck it into my sleeve before a test, but I never end up pulling it out because I end up remembering enough to pass the test, am I still a cheater?

I would say no but then again, I've never felt the need to cheat.

But regardless, I still believe this is a non-story. I pretty much despise the Patriots and do like the Seahawks because of Pete, but I almost want the Patriots to blow them out just to stop the noise.