Chiefs Your dream 1st/2nd round combo for next week's NFL Draft - Page 11

pugsnotdrugs19 · 06:46 PM

Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59.

For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock...

Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson
He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth.

Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State
Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL.

Your turn.

O.city · 04-19-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, it depends on whether or not an ILBer, OLBer or CB that can provide a bigger blanket if available.

The Chiefs won 12 games last year with a subpar offensive line.

I don't think that adding a Pro Bowl Left Guard will propel them to win 17.

They also lost 5 straight with a subpar ol. That's not an easy justification either way.

I don't really see the need for an ilb as they just took 2 last year and are apparently pretty intrigued with march.

They can't keep getting their qb knocked around like he has been though, that's for sure

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The more I read about this dl class, the less I like taking 1 early. I don't know that there's much dynamic play making ability in the ones we'd target.

Butler maybe

The Temple kid in the 5th or 6th seems like a DeVito clone.

One of those guys that takes a few years to get going, then he's a force in the run the game.

O.city · 04-19-2016, 10:57 PM

A better ol could have potentially allowed them to keep it away from NE and their offense more. Theoretically,.but in the wnd, injuries killed them.

I think they obviously need more DBs but priority number 1 for me is getting more explosive offensively. They've gotta be able to have more quick strike ability

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They also lost 5 straight with a subpar ol. That's not an easy justification either way.

They didn't lose 5 straight because of the left guard.

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don't really see the need for an ilb as they just took 2 last year and are apparently pretty intrigued with march.

I don't see it as a need but as DJLN said earlier this year, you don't pass on Darron Lee because the Chiefs drafted Alexander & Wilson in the 5th last year and signed Justin March as a UDFA.

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Originally Posted by O.city

They can't keep getting their qb knocked around like he has been though, that's for sure

Schwartz will make a huge difference, as will Fisher in Year 4 along with Morse and LDT in Year 2.

If they had retained Smith or signed a Jeremy Lane type player, I'd be okay with a guard at #28.

But they didn't, so I'm not, unless there isn't shit left at #28 and if there's not, trade back (Blech).

staylor26 · 04-19-2016, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The more I read about this dl class, the less I like taking 1 early. I don't know that there's much dynamic play making ability in the ones we'd target.

Butler maybe

I'm buying the reports about us being linked to Butler.

We met with him at the Senior Bowl, combine, and had a private workout/visit. There's something there.

**RealSNR** · 04-19-2016, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They also lost 5 straight with a subpar ol. That's not an easy justification either way.

I don't really see the need for an ilb as they just took 2 last year and are apparently pretty intrigued with march.

They can't keep getting their qb knocked around like he has been though, that's for sure

They've won more than they've lost with a subpar OL.

The payoff of drafting interior OL in the first round is minimal for what we're facing in the future with eventual departing veterans at other far more important positions.

Continue to stock interior OL with mid-late round draft picks, let them develop, and keep the ones who can be had cheaply. Cut the shitty ones and keep the process going until it's where we want it.

We're too late in this OL building strategy to deviate now and go full reerun like the Cowboys did

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I'm buying the reports about us being linked to Butler.

We met with him at the Senior Bowl, combine, and had a private workout/visit. There's something there.

No way.

They're not blowing their first round pick on a DT when they're loaded at the position.

Spending a 1st rounder on a rotational player is a terrible waste of resources, especially with the hole at CB and ILB, not to mention #2 WR.

It's not like Dorsey to be locked into a player this early, anyway.

O.city · 04-19-2016, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They didn't lose 5 straight because of the left guard.

I don't see it as a need but as DJLN said earlier this year, you don't pass on Darron Lee because the Chiefs drafted Alexander & Wilson in the 5th last year and signed Justin March as a UDFA.

Schwartz will make a huge difference, as will Fisher in Year 4 along with Morse and LDT in Year 2.

If they had retained Smith or signed a Jeremy Lane type player, I'd be okay with a guard at #28.

But they didn't, so I'm not, unless there isn't shit left at #28 and if there's not, trade back (Blech).

They didn't lose 5 straight because of any one spot, just as winning 12 isnt one spot should it be justification for not upgrading a position.

I don't think Lee is an everydown ILb. I think he'll get eaten up inside against guards and I'm just not a huge fan of his.

They can't shoehorn themselves into taking the 5th best corner because smith left. They're in a great spot to take a good football player that falls or is there for whatever reason.

Personally I hope Jackson apple or alexander are therr a d I'm thinking 1 will be, but if not I don't like taking someone like burns there.

BlackOp · 04-19-2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

12 wins, 1 playoff win, 1 playoff loss, 27-20, on the road.

And that was without their best offensive player (Maclin) and best defensive player (Houston) and their 4th string running back.

A Pro Bowl guard wouldn't have put them over the top.

My thought is Smith is a cerebral QB that is prone to risk avoidance....give him a proper line and it makes the offense a lot more functional...even more than a top notch WR.

Otter · 04-19-2016, 11:35 PM

Christian Hackenberg in the 3rd round.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

My thought is Smith is a cerebral QB that is prone to risk avoidance....give him a proper line and it makes the offense a lot more functional...even more than a top notch WR.

I disagree.

His line was better in SF but his receivers were not. That didn't lead to more success.

If we're debating a 1st round WR vs. a LG, it's receiver all the way for me.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Christian Hackenberg in the 3rd round.

Penn State fan says what?

Otter · 04-19-2016, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Penn State fan says what?

My wife and brothers met him freshman year and he seemed like a really good guy in bad situation that was willing to stick it out and make the best of what Penn State was going through at the time. He has the physical tools.

He's my Tyler Bray.

Dmello12 · 04-19-2016, 11:52 PM

1a. Mackensie Alexander
1b. Robert Nkemdiche
2a. Sterling Shepard
2b. Karl Joseph

**RealSNR** · 04-20-2016, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

My thought is Smith is a cerebral QB that is prone to risk avoidance....give him a proper line and it makes the offense a lot more functional...even more than a top notch WR.

Go **** a cactus

04-19-2016, 06:40 PM
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9109447	Your dream 1st/2nd round combo for next week's NFL Draft Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59. For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock... Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth. Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL. Your turn. Last edited by pugsnotdrugs19; 04-19-2016 at 06:46 PM..
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2444064	A better ol could have potentially allowed them to keep it away from NE and their offense more. Theoretically,.but in the wnd, injuries killed them. I think they obviously need more DBs but priority number 1 for me is getting more explosive offensively. They've gotta be able to have more quick strike ability
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Dmello12 Starter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Lawrence Casino cash: $10008180	1a. Mackensie Alexander 1b. Robert Nkemdiche 2a. Sterling Shepard 2b. Karl Joseph
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