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Old 09-16-2015, 05:03 PM  
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Would Arrowhead's Toys in the Attic sell today?
Was bored when I got home and wanted to listen to some music. So I was perusing and saw Arrowsmith's Toys in the Attic amonst the multitudes of CD's. It's been a long time since I listened to this particular album. But I think it still holds up. Yeah it's Bronco week. **** off. Just wondering.Remember I was bored. And maybe feeling a little old.
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:45 PM   #151
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This is untrue. Kids today aren't into rock music. They're into EDM or electronic tinged pop or modern Country. There aren't kids out there clamoring for a new Aerosmith or Metallica album because that's their parents music.

Every generation wants their own music. There's no way around it.



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Everyone in the business listens to everything. I mean everything. But record labels now are pretty much nothing more than the place for superstar and classic acts. They aren't into developing and nurturing talent because it costs too much money and too much time.

The Music Supervisors are the true A&R people of today. They listen to hundreds of songs by unknown or up and coming artists every day and they are the people that decides what songs appear in films and TV shows.

Getting a track placed on a CW show is more powerful than getting a track placed on 120 radio stations airing 10 times a day.
Well first off, I'm not trying to compete with your knowledge of the music business, you obviously know what you're talking about.

But I do think I know something about people, and have a fair eye for spotting trends in media.

Thing is, you kinda skipped over my assertion that the media is creating its own reality. What I mean is that to my eye, for the last 10-15 years media in general only pushes or uses pop/r&b/rap/light rock BS on the younger generation... from kids shows, to movies and tv shows aimed at younger audiences, TMZ coverage, I mean every real media outlet aimed at the youngsters has been consistently pushing that stuff and nothing else for years.

I honestly don't think its so much "demand", as it is media doing exactly what I said, creating its own reality... convince impressionable kids that this ultra safe moneymaker pablum is whats "cool" by barraging them with it at every turn and you can convince 2/3 of them that that music is what EVERYONE LIKES, and if you want to be cool that's what to listen to.

Music media is custom tailoring what the demand is, is what I'm saying... they're scared to take risks anymore.

I'll never, ever believe that rock music doesn't resonate with todays kids... IF they get to hear plenty of the best new bands out there, and there ARE plenty of great rock bands out there that the media refuses to give the time of day. Growing up mostly in a smaller Midwest town, I'd have never known the awesomeness of GNR if someone didn't decide the world needed to hear them... Nirvana would've just been a little cult secret in the northwest, I'd have been stuck thinking lesser bands were "it".

I went to Van Halen in St. Louis this summer... TONS of kids, from 14 into 20 somethings... rock still resonates, its just that the average kid doesn't get introduced to any of the good new bands because they aren't getting national exposure, and that's the industries fault.

While they're certainly not cutting edge rock anymore, the Eagles and Stones were in the top 5 grosser last year...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcin...urs-of-2014/2/

In 2012, Pearl Jam was 23rd, RHCP was 15th and Van Halen came in at #8... I'm sure I could spend more time coming up with recent numbers like that.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...-tours-of-2012

The point is that rock still sells just fine, its just that if the industry doesn't start giving people new artists to get into... then yeah, rock might die, atleast in the sense that there will be no more big time acts filling arenas.

But that's not the musics fault, great rock will ALWAYS exist... but if no major outlets sign them and push them, then most of the nation will never know their names.
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:59 PM   #152
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But that's not the musics fault, great rock will ALWAYS exist... but if no major outlets sign them and push them, then most of the nation will never know their names.
If there was money to be made by signing and promoting rock bands, then rock bands would be signed and promoted.

People in the Midwest have a different view and affiliation with rock music. 80's and Classic Rock has always been really popular there, so people mistake that popularity with being nationwide, which it is not.

I think I've told this story before but when I moved to Los Angeles in 1993, I expected LA bands like Ratt, Poison, Van Halen, Motley Crue, et al, to be absolutely plastered on the radio because it was in Kansas City at the time. Lo and behold, there was only one rock station that played those bands and it went out of business a few months after I arrived.

What was popular in LA, then and now, we bands like Jane's Addiction, The RHCP, Depeche Mode, Oingo Boingo, the B52's, REM, and every synth/non-Seattle "alternative" band. KROQ is and was the flagship station for that type of music and radio stations across the country would emulate their playlist.

Legacy bands will always have their audience but there's just no need for new rock bands because there's pretty much nothing left to say that hasn't been said.

Does the world really need another dozen KISS or Aerosmith clones? The answer seems to be a resounding "no".
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:32 PM   #153
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:40 PM   #154
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Awesome post. I know that i am guilty of this. I grew up with bands like Rush, Zeppelin, Beatles, Boston, Pink Floyd, ect ect that spent months and years creating amazing masterpieces. Beautiful layered music with texture and rhythms that matched poetic lyrics. I was spoiled by guitarist like Jimi, Jimmy, Eddie, Alex, Randy and Stevie that lived, breathed and loved music more than anything else. They spent their entire life learning and relearning how to play their instruments and wanted to make something unique that matched the music in their soul.

Now kids that don't even read music - can "sample" sounds out of a computer, add a pre-made drum beat while a guy screams his angst in a microphone, so loud and so fast it makes no sense to anyone- and this is what they call music? "Artist" push some buttons- hit save and the "music" is out there, world wide in a few minutes-the same amount of time it took to "create" it.

So yes I am jaded when it comes to the new "music" that is popular these days.
Have you heard of bands like the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Velvet Underground, the , etc., etc., etc.?

How about Elvis? Mozart?

People have been saying that same thing forever.

Tons of great music out there right now.

As Dane said, it's a different world in terms of people turning into "rock" stars, but not really. Been to a Katy Perry concert lately? Rock star. Taylor Swift? Packed stadiums. Radiohead? LCD Soundsystem sold out MSG for a week on their closing tour. Imagine Dragons tickets sold out here in a day and were going for insane prices afterwards. There are plenty of rock stars emerging all the time.

Just because they aren't playing '70's and 80's stadium rock anthems doesn't mean that they aren't out there filling arenas. They are.
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:48 PM   #155
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Have you heard of bands like the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Velvet Underground, the , etc., etc., etc.?

How about Elvis? Mozart?

People have been saying that same thing forever.

Tons of great music out there right now.

As Dane said, it's a different world in terms of people turning into "rock" stars, but not really. Been to a Katy Perry concert lately? Rock star. Taylor Swift? Packed stadiums. Radiohead? LCD Soundsystem sold out MSG for a week on their closing tour. Imagine Dragons tickets sold out here in a day and were going for insane prices afterwards. There are plenty of rock stars emerging all the time.

Just because they aren't playing '70's and 80's stadium rock anthems doesn't mean that they aren't out there filling arenas. They are.
I think what it comes down to with a lot of these "Music isn't the same these days! It sucks" guys is they just straight up miss their youth. It's like when they get a certain age a switch is flipped where everything that came after their time is bad.
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