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CoMoChief · 07-16-2015, 08:58 AM

The Chiefs supposedly gain about $4-5M in cap space w/ the Justin Houston contract extension.

What do the Chiefs do w/ that extra cap allowance?

DJ's left nut · 07-17-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I would rather berry have sucked than what's happened. I feel like alot of it was out of his hands with the ACL injury, then the foot injury\cancer season last year after coming off an all pro 2013 where he seemed to be ascending into a perennial all pro. Coupled wth the fact that they were going to use him as more of a ballhawk.

Sucks. Hope for his sake he comes back strong. He's a super strong dude.

Yeah - it's hard to say that any of this is Berry's fault. The guy's done nothing but bust his ass, be a leader and play his position well.

But playing SS well isn't worth the #5 overall and $60 million, that's all. Especially not when you've missed better than 1/3 of your career to date due to various maladies. Dane cited Mike Iupati as a guy he'd rather have - well to me that's equally disappointing. Even had we gotten 5 years of premium performance from Iupati, spending the #5 overall and $60 million on a G would have been disappointing. And it may STILL have been a better return than we got on the Berry pick.

Berry didn't choose to play SS. Berry didn't jake it out there. He didn't choose to blow out his knee, mess up his foot or get cancer. Nothing about 'Berry's tenure in KC has been disappointing' is an indictment on Berry.

It just is what it is. He's not been the difference making, impact player that I hoped we were getting there and the ROI on him hasn't been good at all.

**The Franchise** · 07-17-2015, 09:20 AM

Eric Berry was a SS starting off because our safeties as a whole ****ing sucked. It was either start Jon McGraw at FS and Berry at SS....or start Berry at FS and Reshard Langford at SS. That's the GM and the coaching staff's fault.

And anyone that didn't think Berry was a ballhawk....go back and look at his sophomore season at Tennessee before Kiffin showed up. 7 INTs and 2 of those for TDs. Then Kiffin shows up....realizes how much talent Berry has and moves him all around the field.

O.city · 07-17-2015, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah - it's hard to say that any of this is Berry's fault. The guy's done nothing but bust his ass, be a leader and play his position well.

But playing SS well isn't worth the #5 overall and $60 million, that's all. Especially not when you've missed better than 1/3 of your career to date due to various maladies. Dane cited Mike Iupati as a guy he'd rather have - well to me that's equally disappointing. Even had we gotten 5 years of premium performance from Iupati, spending the #5 overall and $60 million on a G would have been disappointing. And it may STILL have been a better return than we got on the Berry pick.

Berry didn't choose to play SS. Berry didn't jake it out there. He didn't choose to blow out his knee, mess up his foot or get cancer. Nothing about 'Berry's tenure in KC has been disappointing' is an indictment on Berry.

It just is what it is. He's not been the difference making, impact player that I hoped we were getting there and the ROI on him hasn't been good at all.

That's what sucks. I think this current staff saw that and had plans for him to be in a more explosive role last year.

He was really really ****ing good in 2013, then the ankle and cancer.

aturnis · 07-17-2015, 09:22 AM

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Morse is gonna play guard this year. At least until Kush flames out and they think Morse no longer sucks at snapping the ball.

Bank on it.

They've only said as much...

**BossChief** · 07-17-2015, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Eric Berry was a SS starting off because our safeties as a whole ****ing sucked. It was either start Jon McGraw at FS and Berry at SS....or start Berry at FS and Reshard Langford at SS. That's the GM and the coaching staff's fault.

And anyone that didn't think Berry was a ballhawk....go back and look at his sophomore season at Tennessee before Kiffin showed up. 7 INTs and 2 of those for TDs. Then Kiffin shows up....realizes how much talent Berry has and moves him all around the field.

He as a stud as a freshman, too.

**The Franchise** · 07-17-2015, 09:30 AM

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He as a stud as a freshman, too.

Yeah....if anyone should be blamed for not living up to his full potential.....it's Monte Kiffin and Romeo Crennel.

aturnis · 07-17-2015, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It would be nice to have his athleticism at deep safety with the current t defense though.

I prefer Parker.

**BossChief** · 07-17-2015, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah....if anyone should be blamed for not living up to his full potential.....it's Monte Kiffin and Romeo Crennel.

I'll always believe that Berry should have been the next Brian Dawkins.

aturnis · 07-17-2015, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Alright, I found some stats on the 2013 season. Anyone that remembers that year, we damn near had Berry cover the other team's TE exclusively. Here are some of the big names and numbers they put up with Berry blanketing them:

Jason Witten: 8 targets 3 catches 12 yards 0 TDs

Brent Celek/Zach Ertz: 5 targets 2 catches 18 yards 0 TDs/1 target 1 catch 5 yards 0 TDs

Delanie Walker: 6 targets 4 catches 43 yards 0 TDs

Jordan Cameron: 4 targets 4 catches 81 yards

Scott Chandler: 9 targets 3 catches 26 yards 0 TDs

Julius Thomas: 5 targets 3 catches 43 yards 1 TD

Antonio Gates: 8 targets 3 catches 21 yards 0 TDs

Coby Fleener: 3 targets 2 catches 8 yards 0 TDs

Again, does this account for our LBers? Abdullah?

Wasn't Abdullah covering TE's?

Mother****erJones · 07-17-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah - it's hard to say that any of this is Berry's fault. The guy's done nothing but bust his ass, be a leader and play his position well.

But playing SS well isn't worth the #5 overall and $60 million, that's all. Especially not when you've missed better than 1/3 of your career to date due to various maladies. Dane cited Mike Iupati as a guy he'd rather have - well to me that's equally disappointing. Even had we gotten 5 years of premium performance from Iupati, spending the #5 overall and $60 million on a G would have been disappointing. And it may STILL have been a better return than we got on the Berry pick.

Berry didn't choose to play SS. Berry didn't jake it out there. He didn't choose to blow out his knee, mess up his foot or get cancer. Nothing about 'Berry's tenure in KC has been disappointing' is an indictment on Berry.

It just is what it is. He's not been the difference making, impact player that I hoped we were getting there and the ROI on him hasn't been good at all.

Saying berry isn't worth his contract but paying Iupati, a ****ing OG, is worth it, is just ****ing insane.

ThaVirus · 07-17-2015, 09:53 AM

I'll say no more on the Berry argument. I've said my piece and provided some numbers. I'm not going to change any minds..

But what Dane said is laughable. He'd have taken Okung at #5 with Branden Albert on the roster? Iupati, a guard, at #5? Pouncey, another interior lineman, who we'd be paying $10 mil per year for currently?

Give me a break.

ThaVirus · 07-17-2015, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Again, does this account for our LBers? Abdullah?

Wasn't Abdullah covering TE's?

No, I didn't have the resources to go back and fine-tune the stats to when it was Berry and only Berry covering them.

That's just an overall look. Of course we didn't have Berry covering the TE 100% of snaps but it was just about as often as you could imagine.

That's why Berry was in the box. To help in run support and have more access to the TE.

I really wish I had All-22...

Mother****erJones · 07-17-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'll say no more on the Berry argument. I've said my piece and provided some numbers. I'm not going to change any minds..

But what Dane said is laughable. He'd have taken Okung at #5 with Branden Albert on the roster? Iupati, a guard, at #5? Pouncey, another interior lineman, who we'd be paying $10 mil per year for currently?

Give me a break.

Ya exactly. Paying a $60 million contract to a rookie olineman is crazy.

**The Franchise** · 07-17-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Ya exactly. Paying a $60 million contract to a rookie olineman is crazy.

Paying that much to ANY rookie is ****ing crazy and I'm glad it doesn't happen anymore.

ThaVirus · 07-17-2015, 10:11 AM

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Paying that much to ANY rookie is ****ing crazy and I'm glad it doesn't happen anymore.

Seriously. We were going to pay a ridiculous amount for any player we drafted that high in the last year of the old CBA. TE, S, G..

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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2585047	Eric Berry was a SS starting off because our safeties as a whole ****ing sucked. It was either start Jon McGraw at FS and Berry at SS....or start Berry at FS and Reshard Langford at SS. That's the GM and the coaching staff's fault. And anyone that didn't think Berry was a ballhawk....go back and look at his sophomore season at Tennessee before Kiffin showed up. 7 INTs and 2 of those for TDs. Then Kiffin shows up....realizes how much talent Berry has and moves him all around the field.
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07-17-2015, 09:53 AM	#161
ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1542369	I'll say no more on the Berry argument. I've said my piece and provided some numbers. I'm not going to change any minds.. But what Dane said is laughable. He'd have taken Okung at #5 with Branden Albert on the roster? Iupati, a guard, at #5? Pouncey, another interior lineman, who we'd be paying $10 mil per year for currently? Give me a break.
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