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Old 10-22-2014, 03:16 AM  
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The Week in Overreactions: Alex Smith is more than a game manager
By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com
October 21, 2014 8:16 am ET

Alex Smith isn't a game manager

It's easy -- and, frankly, lazy -- to categorize Alex Smith as a game manager because that appeared to be his ceiling early in his career. Some of those growing pains can be attributed to youth (he came into the league as a fresh-faced 20-year-old), expectations that come with being the first-overall pick in the 2005 draft, and landing on a bad 49ers team that had six different offensive coordinators in Smith's first six seasons.

That's the definition of setting someone up to fail. And while the perception of Smith didn't change once coach Jim Harbaugh arrived in 2011, the reality was that he became a more complete player.

• In 54 games (50 starts) from 2005-2010, Smith completed 57 percent of his passes (6.2 YPA) with 51 touchdowns and 53 interceptions.

• In 2011-2012 under Harbaugh, Smith played in 26 games (25 starts) completed 64 percent of his passes (7.4 YPA) with 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

• And in a season and a half with the Chiefs and Andy Reid, Smith has started all 21 games, completing 62 percent of his passes (6.6 YPA) with 32 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.

We've been as guilty as anyone as taking Smith's accomplishments for granted, even regularly referring to him as "a bridge quarterback" to whomever is pegged as the next face of the franchise in Kansas City. But he's proven to be much, much more than that. We saw it in last season's playoff loss to the Colts, when he was 30 of 46 for 378 yards, with four touchdowns and no interceptions.

We saw it again in Week 4 when Smith completed 20 of 26 passes for 248 yards, with three touchdowns and no interceptions as the Chiefs throttled the Patriots, 41-14. And we were reminded once again on Sunday in San Diego when Smith, who has long been criticized for his inability to play from behind, did just that.

He led the Chiefs on a late-fourth-quarter, eight-play, 62-yard drive that began on their 8-yard line, and included a nine-yard scramble and passes of 19, 16 and eight yards to set up Cairo Santos' 48-yard field goal.

It wasn't spectacular but that's not Smith's game. (And when did spectacular equate to franchise savior, anyway? Jay Cutler has plenty of "spectacular" plays on his highlight reel but he's regularly played some truly awful football.)

According to Football Outsiders, Smith ranks 15th among all quarterbacks this season, ahead of Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger, but his steady-as-she-goes approach fits nicely with what Reid wants to do offensively. And even if it means fewer big plays down the field, it's hard to argue with the results; the Chiefs started 9-0 last season before finishing 11-5. And after an 0-2 start this season, they have won three of four, their only loss an eminently winnable game in San Francisco in Week 5. And this all comes after the Chiefs, prior to Reid and Smith's arrival, won a grand total of two games in 2012.

When Smith signed a four-year, $68 million extension just before the season, our only reservation was that it would mean the Chiefs would put off finding their next young quarterback. But at 30 years old, he's entering his NFL prime; there's no reason to rush him off the field. In fact, he could be the key to helping the Chiefs to back-to-back winning seasons for the first time since 2005-2006.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:33 PM   #151
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No one.

AND I MADE THIS POINT BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED.

I don't think it's even fair to judge the guy after Dorsey ****ed him in the offseason and Phat Andy has multiple-coordinator-personality-disease...
Gotcha... I thought you were saying that Smith needed an above average O line because of some Smith deficiency. Whereas I think Smith's strengths can cover for a below average o line.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:33 PM   #152
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Funny how all we hear at CP is that the WR's are slow and can't get open, yet when wr see footage of said wrs or articles about it or from guys at the game, we have WR's running open.

Weird
Which guys from the game? what articles?
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:33 PM   #153
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It was determined that 9.6% of Smith's throws are dropped so far. May not seem like much to you, but that is the worst in the league. Some drops are more brutal than others.. just ask Hemingway and Bowe about last week's game.

This place is not a joke.. it just has some people that can't discuss things without getting all childish and straying from the topic discussion.

You are always free to go back to wherever it is you go during most weeks.

Everyone knows what these Alex threads consist of... pages of people whining over a play here or there... to the point where others have to come in and point out how QBs are not perfect.. and there are plays that are underwhelming for all of them.
QBs are not perfect. But WRs are supposed to be. Ball within 5 feet of you? You'd better ****ing catch it! Right?
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Funny how all we hear at CP is that the WR's are slow and can't get open, yet when wr see footage of said wrs or articles about it or from guys at the game, we have WR's running open.

Weird
It's not one or the other.

Our WR's are $3it and our QB doesn't throw beyond 15 yards without 5 yards of separation.

On top of that Alex prefers to throw in the hashes. Always has. It's why he' loves the TE.

Think about it. You show me a pick 6 and about 9 out of 10 times it's outside the hash marks...
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QBs are not perfect. But WRs are supposed to be. Ball within 5 feet of you? You'd better ****ing catch it! Right?
No. If you are being paid 14 mil a year to catch a handful of passes per game? and these passes go into your hands? CATCH THEM.

A quarterback handles the ball about 50 ? times a game... He is obviously going to have more screwups than a WR who needs to make his few opportunities count.
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Funny how all we hear at CP is that the WR's are slow and can't get open, yet when wr see footage of said wrs or articles about it or from guys at the game, we have WR's running open.

Weird
fair point... I'm in Cali so I only get to see the televised game. All I have to go on is quite often when the commentator says "Smith had absolutely no where to go with the ball".

But you won't here me state the WR's aren't getting open, as I can't see that for myself. Seems to me, Smith has been spreading the ball around pretty evenly. If they weren't getting open, I'd think all the balls would be getting thrown to TE's and RB's only. Not the case.
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fair point... I'm in Cali so I only get to see the televised game. All I have to go on is quite often when the commentator says "Smith had absolutely no where to go with the ball".

But you won't here me state the WR's aren't getting open, as I can't see that for myself. Seems to me, Smith has been spreading the ball around pretty evenly. If they weren't getting open, I'd think all the balls would be getting thrown to TE's and RB's only. Not the case.
THis just goes back to WHEN these targets get open. QBs can't see every route unfold simultaneously across the field.

... but you know this.
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QBs are not perfect. But WRs are supposed to be. Ball within 5 feet of you? You'd better ****ing catch it! Right?
no... but balls that hit you in the hands, you are supposed to catch - even if you had to make some adjustment to catch it. This is a pretty well known and widely accepted belief.

Does that mean they are going to catch all of them? Certainly not. But if you can get your hands on it, you are supposed to catch it.
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THis just goes back to WHEN these targets get open. QBs can't see every route unfold simultaneously across the field.

... but you know this.
yes I do. And I agree. It all depends on when the route gets open as compared to where the QB is in his progression. That is something that is absolutely impossible to know, one way or the other, when looking at film or at a still photo.
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It was determined that 9.6% of Smith's throws are dropped so far.
Stopped reading here, since you can't seem to settle on a stat.

The link you posted claims 7.7%.

Now you're upping that by another 2%.

In another 50 posts, KC WR's will be dropping 25% of the passes thrown to them.
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Good example... he should have caught that.
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http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...iving&rank=232

Notice the names tied with, or ahead of Bowe:

Dez
A. Brown
Cobb
S. Smith
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Hilton
Demaryius
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Cruz

But Bowe's the shittiest starting WR in the league...

POOR ALEX HAS NO ONE TO THROW TO!
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Stopped reading here, since you cant seem to settle on a stat.

The link you posted claims 7.7%.

Now you're upping that by another 2%.

In another 50 posts, KC WR's will be dropping 25% of the passes thrown to them.
This place is unbearable.

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