Chiefs Chiefs right to pass on DeSean Jackson - Page 11

Stryker · 03-31-2014, 07:10 AM

From a purely football standpoint, the Kansas City Chiefs couldn't have found a better wide receiver for their balky passing game than DeSean Jackson. He definitely would have provided life to a group of wide receivers that was last in the NFL in 2013 in targets, catches and yardage.

Since 2008 Jackson has 21 touchdowns of 30 or more yards and was third in average yards per catch at 17.2 for the Philadelphia Eagles, who released him last week. Add in the fact Jackson thrived for the first five seasons of his NFL career playing for Andy Reid, now coaching the Chiefs, and Jackson coming to Kansas City seemed to make a lot of sense. But the Chiefs will look elsewhere, probably to the draft, for that receiving help. After making some initial inquiries into Jackson's availability, the Chiefs backed off, reportedly because of cost concerns.

The Chiefs, who have about $4.5 million of remaining cap space, could have found a way to squeeze Jackson's salary under their limit. But at what cost? The Chiefs would like to re-sign quarterback Alex Smith and linebacker Justin Houston before they can become free agents next year. Neither will come at a favorable price. Safety Eric Berry is among the players who could become an unrestricted free agent in 2016 and he too will be expensive.

Signing Jackson at top dollar would have cost them one of those players and perhaps more. But there's something else at work here. Adding Jackson would have smelled of panic. It would have been a sign the Chiefs were veering away from their plan, making it up on the fly. You can argue the merits of their plan, but Reid and general manager John Dorsey prefer to find their stars, the players they build the foundation around, through the draft and not as free agents.

Listen closely to what Reid said recently about free agency.

"Listen, I'm not a huge free-agency guy," Reid said last week at the NFL meetings in Orlando, Fla. "I don't think you build a team that way. I think you build it through a draft. There are so many elements that go into a player actually fitting into your program and being successful, that if you get them right when they're peaking in that system and then you disrupt that and move them on to another system, that can be tough. So, the percentage has dropped, the success rate has dropped. I think you spot a guy here or there.

"Then you have the other element that it has the chance to disrupt your locker room. This guy has been with me for 10 years and is making X amount and then all of the sudden you bring in a free agent who might be as good, but maybe not as good, and you're paying him way up here and all of the sudden you have this rift that goes on in the locker room. I think you have to be real, real careful on who you bring in and how you do it.”

Adding Jackson at something less than a premium price might have made sense. The Chiefs wouldn't need to guess about projecting how Jackson might do in Reid's system. They could look at his production from those five seasons they were together with the Eagles.

But the Chiefs made their decision, for better or for worse, about a high-priced wide receiver last year when they re-signed Dwayne Bowe for five years and $56 million. That's about all a team can reasonably afford without gutting another part of the roster.

That's not to say a move of this nature would always be a bad move for the Chiefs. When their salary cap is in better shape and the signing of a big-money player like Jackson might reasonably put the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, they should go for it, by all means.

And there will be a time and place. But this wasn't it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ass-on-jackson

TEX · 03-31-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

We haven't lost a key contributor with the exception of Albert who really you could question how "key" he was to any success last year.

Yet you talk as if we are rebuilding.

Its comical.

If you're this clueless you need to only talk to yourself regarding this topic. Word of advice - DONT believe your answers...

Eleazar · 03-31-2014, 10:36 AM

Reid is going to say whatever he feels are the "right" answers to the press. What they decide behind closed doors is whatever they feel like is in their long term best interest. You can't put too much weight on a throwaway comment to some reporter buzzing around at the spring meetings.

But you can see one thing in Reid's comments, when he says that he isn't a big free agency guy, and that he worries about someone coming in and upsetting team chemistry. He wants to select and groom his own players unless there's a compelling reason.

He knows Jackson better than anyone, and didn't think he was a fit. That's fine with me.

When we unfortunately had to flush Pioli and the rest of his overstuffed toilet of front office sewage, we didn't feel like we were committing to a rebuild, but we were.

I don't think these guys are fooled by what we saw the first half of last year, they know that we have a middle of the road football team right now that had a troublesome cap situation and sustained some moderate free agent losses. Jackson doesn't make us a contender this year.

If it were me, I think I might have been very serious about signing him, but not at the cost of resigning a key player who is already on the roster and already a fit here, if that's what it meant.

Sadly, if we had let Bowe go we probably could have gotten Jackson instead, but we are where we are.

htismaqe · 03-31-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So do you feel it's the Hunts? Why do you have such a har time?

Because I've been a fan since the early 80's and the Chiefs have never been above average in the draft.

Hell, they haven't consistently been AVERAGE in the draft.

Marcellus · 03-31-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course, this is all you have to fall back on because you're still completely clueless.

Look not 1 thing you have posted supports anything you think except that you "think" this and you "think" that.

If you believe I am clueless, fine. I cant expect someone who doesn't even realize they post conflicting shit constantly to understand.

You like to bitch while telling everyone you don't care, that's really all there is to it.

Eleazar · 03-31-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

If you're this clueless you need to only talk to yourself on the issue. Word of advice - DONT believe your answers...

Schwartz is the only guy we lost that we are really going to miss.

htismaqe · 03-31-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Reid is going to say whatever he feels are the "right" answers to the press. What they decide behind closed doors is whatever they feel like is in their long term best interest. You can't put too much weight on a throwaway comment to some reporter buzzing around at the spring meetings.

But you can see one thing in Reid's comments, when he says that he isn't a big free agency guy, and that he worries about someone coming in and upsetting team chemistry. He wants to select and groom his own players unless there's a compelling reason.

He knows Jackson better than anyone, and didn't think he was a fit. That's fine with me.

When we unfortunately had to flush Pioli and the rest of his overstuffed toilet of front office sewage, we didn't feel like we were committing to a rebuild, but we were.

I don't think these guys are fooled by what we saw the first half of last year, they know that we have a middle of the road football team right now that had a troublesome cap situation and sustained some moderate free agent losses. Jackson doesn't make us a contender this year.

If it were me, I think I might have been very serious about signing him, but not at the cost of resigning a key player who is already on the roster and already a fit here, if that's what it meant.

Sadly, if we had let Bowe go we probably could have gotten Jackson instead, but we are where we are.

Solid post.

O.city · 03-31-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because I've been a fan since the early 80's and the Chiefs have never been above average in the draft.

Hell, they haven't consistently been AVERAGE in the draft.

So they're cursed?

htismaqe · 03-31-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Look not 1 thing you have posted supports anything you think except that you "think" this and you "think" that.

What? EVERYTHING here is a ****ing opinion. Good God you're a ****ing weak-minded pussy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you believe I am clueless, fine. I cant expect someone who doesn't even realize they post conflicting shit constantly to understand.

Go ahead and point out the contradictions big guy, I'm waiting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You like to bitch while telling everyone you don't care, that's really all there is to it.

And here again you know exactly what I'm thinking. Stop wasting your time here and go tell the world. You've got a mother ****ing gift!

htismaqe · 03-31-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So they're cursed?

No. I'm just gonna have to see them do it before I can believe it.

htismaqe · 03-31-2014, 10:41 AM

Marcellus has a thing for me.

And here I thought this was about the Chiefs.

He can't stand it that I'm in his head.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-31-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because I've been a fan since the early 80's and the Chiefs have never been above average in the draft.

Hell, they haven't consistently been AVERAGE in the draft.

Truth. They've had two phenomenal drafts in the last 20 years - and WAY too many years of complete shit in between. And in our most recent great draft, we've not held onto the players.

Example, 2008: Five solid picks, only two left on the roster.

Sadly, you've got to go back to 1996 to find another really solid draft.

keg in kc · 03-31-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He can't stand it that I'm in his head.

Should be plenty of room for furniture. Maybe hang a few posters.

Jimmya · 03-31-2014, 10:43 AM

He's to big of a risk.

Halfcan · 03-31-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because I've been a fan since the early 80's and the Chiefs have never been above average in the draft.

Hell, they haven't consistently been AVERAGE in the draft.

This!!! x 10

"building through the draft" just means we are done spending money- the F A's we brought in last year bombed.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-31-2014, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Marcellus has a thing for me.

And here I thought this was about the Chiefs.

He can't stand it that I'm in his head.

He's probably pissed that the rent check for the space you occupy in his head is late.

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Stryker In Mahomes I trust! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Casino cash: $2094636	Chiefs right to pass on DeSean Jackson From a purely football standpoint, the Kansas City Chiefs couldn't have found a better wide receiver for their balky passing game than DeSean Jackson. He definitely would have provided life to a group of wide receivers that was last in the NFL in 2013 in targets, catches and yardage. Since 2008 Jackson has 21 touchdowns of 30 or more yards and was third in average yards per catch at 17.2 for the Philadelphia Eagles, who released him last week. Add in the fact Jackson thrived for the first five seasons of his NFL career playing for Andy Reid, now coaching the Chiefs, and Jackson coming to Kansas City seemed to make a lot of sense. But the Chiefs will look elsewhere, probably to the draft, for that receiving help. After making some initial inquiries into Jackson's availability, the Chiefs backed off, reportedly because of cost concerns. The Chiefs, who have about $4.5 million of remaining cap space, could have found a way to squeeze Jackson's salary under their limit. But at what cost? The Chiefs would like to re-sign quarterback Alex Smith and linebacker Justin Houston before they can become free agents next year. Neither will come at a favorable price. Safety Eric Berry is among the players who could become an unrestricted free agent in 2016 and he too will be expensive. Signing Jackson at top dollar would have cost them one of those players and perhaps more. But there's something else at work here. Adding Jackson would have smelled of panic. It would have been a sign the Chiefs were veering away from their plan, making it up on the fly. You can argue the merits of their plan, but Reid and general manager John Dorsey prefer to find their stars, the players they build the foundation around, through the draft and not as free agents. Listen closely to what Reid said recently about free agency. "Listen, I'm not a huge free-agency guy," Reid said last week at the NFL meetings in Orlando, Fla. "I don't think you build a team that way. I think you build it through a draft. There are so many elements that go into a player actually fitting into your program and being successful, that if you get them right when they're peaking in that system and then you disrupt that and move them on to another system, that can be tough. So, the percentage has dropped, the success rate has dropped. I think you spot a guy here or there. "Then you have the other element that it has the chance to disrupt your locker room. This guy has been with me for 10 years and is making X amount and then all of the sudden you bring in a free agent who might be as good, but maybe not as good, and you're paying him way up here and all of the sudden you have this rift that goes on in the locker room. I think you have to be real, real careful on who you bring in and how you do it.” Adding Jackson at something less than a premium price might have made sense. The Chiefs wouldn't need to guess about projecting how Jackson might do in Reid's system. They could look at his production from those five seasons they were together with the Eagles. But the Chiefs made their decision, for better or for worse, about a high-priced wide receiver last year when they re-signed Dwayne Bowe for five years and $56 million. That's about all a team can reasonably afford without gutting another part of the roster. That's not to say a move of this nature would always be a bad move for the Chiefs. When their salary cap is in better shape and the signing of a big-money player like Jackson might reasonably put the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, they should go for it, by all means. And there will be a time and place. But this wasn't it. http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ass-on-jackson
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