Misc Conceal Carry weapon choices - Page 11

Holladay · 01-03-2017, 06:50 PM

Probably a re-post, didn't see it after a quick search.

I am buy no means a gun expert but know my way around them (ex-military)

My wife is seriously looking to CC. That thought alone shocked me. She is quite against guns. She is German and with all the issues Germany has now and stuff here in the states, wants to pursue this privilege. I will as well.

Another thought is what is the best way to figure out which states allow. I have surfed the web and it is a bit confusing. She will be house sitting in SC for a month. Thus a long trip by herself through many states. As I understand, KY will prove the hardest state.

I have taken her out in our back 40 to practice. I have a 9mm CZ 75 that I bought while stationed in Germany. It is similar to the Beretta 9mm. She is a natural. The practice and repetition is the key as we all know. It is to big for CC. She will be carrying in her purse..eer er "hand bag" ( I got corrected from a female fashionista).

We are on a budget and not into an elite weapon. Something that goes bang and scares the would be bad guy. I was hoping for less then $400.

We have tried a few different types. Revolver vs Semi. Revolver is simpler but limited ammo. Semi is harder to operate but has more "bangs".

My parents have a Makarov 9x18. I thought it was junk, but find out it is quite decent. It is a Walther PPK variant. Cheap ~$300. I read a review about women and hand guns. The author stated that a point is the strength/size of women's hands. Thus semi is not a good option unless she is a masseuse. I giggled, because she is. Her hands are as big as mine which are medium/large guys paws. She has had a little problem pulling the slide back and on another old (S&W Defender) revolver the trigger squeeze.

I will use the Defender, not necessarily CC, in my car. If I can find ammo for it. That is another problem. The CZ stays at home.

Thoughts?

Reerun_KC · 10-04-2017, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod

Don't carry anything less than a 9mm. This means DO NOT CARRY A .380. It simply doesn't provide enough stopping power. Real life ain't the movies - generally you're not going to drop a bad guy with one shot. This advice comes from a variety of people I know, shoot with or have gotten training from, including my CC instructor who is an ex-Chicago tactical cop. He won't even let people use .380s in his class.

Unless you are a regular shooter, I also strongly recommend that you don't carry a gun with an external safety. You don't want to have to remember to flip the safety off while somebody's trying to kill you.

I would also stay away from 40 caliber. Most common 40 cal. guns are originally designed for 9mm rounds. As a result, these weapons tend to wear parts out faster and be less accurate. If you want a bigger round, stick with 45 ACP.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock 19, a Springfield XDm or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9c, as long as it doesn't have an external safety. I'm not a fan of guns that take single stack mags, just because more bullets is better than less bullets. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a Ruger for a carry gun. I wouldn't trust my life to a ****ing Kel-Tec. This is not an area where you want to cheap out.

My daily carry gun is a customized CZ 75 D Compact. Roughly the same size as a Glock 19, but all metal, dead nuts accurate, high reliable. 14+1 or 16+1 depending on the magazine. It's a little heavy, but I'm used to it, and using an IWB holster it disappears. Pricier than the average carry gun to be sure, but I work in Chicago, so I don't **** around when it comes to personal protection. If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.

What would you suggest shooting a fridge with?

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Frazod · 10-04-2017, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

Actually, I have to disagree (but only slightly). I carry either a Sig P226 or a Springfield .45 (but that's me). My Wife, on the other hand, carries a Walther PPK with hollow points. We went out in the country one day and she shot up a few milk jugs with water....

That little pistol DESTROYED the jugs...

I agree...usually a .380 is NOT the best choice for carry - however, it WILL stop someone who is attacking you. And, for her, it is the right size. She says that the 9mm is too bulky (and heavy) for the purse and the .45 (well, it's a 45)

That's great, if you're being attacked by jugs of water.

The size and weight difference between a subcompact 9mm and a subcompact .380 is negligible. While a .380 is better than nothing, it's just not nearly as effective, especially if it's a big guy coming after you.

Again, this opinion doesn't come from me - it comes from people far more informed and more experienced than me. I'm just passing it along.

Frazod · 10-04-2017, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

What would you suggest shooting a fridge with?

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your mom

Randallflagg · 10-04-2017, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod

That's great, if you're being attacked by jugs of water.

The size and weight difference between a subcompact 9mm and a subcompact .380 is negligible. While a .380 is better than nothing, it's just not nearly as effective, especially if it's a big guy coming after you.

Again, this opinion doesn't come from me - it comes from people far more informed and more experienced than me. I'm just passing it along.

No disagreement with you here. Targets, jugs of water - none of those shoot back, either.

My Wife has been shooting since she was a kid (just like me). If you attack her - which we have practiced - she will have no problem hitting the noggin. But I understand, the "average" person isn't that well rehearsed.

Frankly, I'm not that big on the 9mm either. When I was in the Army, we transitioned rom the .45 to the 9mm while I was in Germany in the late 70s. I HATED those damned things, but that's the way it goes...

After 25 or so years of shooting them, I got used to them and they were fine. But for me? In my retirement? I prefer a 1911 in a Galco hip or shoulder rig. But that's me...

KCrockaholic · 10-04-2017, 11:16 AM

Frazod · 10-04-2017, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

No disagreement with you here. Targets, jugs of water - none of those shoot back, either.

My Wife has been shooting since she was a kid (just like me). If you attack her - which we have practiced - she will have no problem hitting the noggin. But I understand, the "average" person isn't that well rehearsed.

Frankly, I'm not that big on the 9mm either. When I was in the Army, we transitioned rom the .45 to the 9mm while I was in Germany in the late 70s. I HATED those damned things, but that's the way it goes...

After 25 or so years of shooting them, I got used to them and they were fine. But for me? In my retirement? I prefer a 1911 in a Galco hip or shoulder rig. But that's me...

While I see the appeal of bigger bullets, the idea of more bullets wins for me. One stat I've heard is that under duress, even the most experienced shooters will miss half the time. We all like to think we'll do better, but I've never shot at anything that was shooting back, so I wouldn't know.

Randallflagg · 10-04-2017, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod

While I see the appeal of bigger bullets, the idea of more bullets wins for me. One stat I've heard is that under duress, even the most experienced shooters will miss half the time. We all like to think we'll do better, but I've never shot at anything that was shooting back, so I wouldn't know.

Unfortunately, I have. When I was in Viet Nam, I was an 11B (Infantry). I started out in the A Shau Valley with the 101st Airborne.

Let's put it this way: There was a LOT of shooting. And, it's true. 90% of the time, you are just trying to keep the other guys head down....it's that other 10%......I'll let it go at that.

Frazod · 10-04-2017, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

Unfortunately, I have. When I was in Viet Nam, I was an 11B (Infantry). I started out in the A Shau Valley with the 101st Airborne.

Let's put it this way: There was a LOT of shooting. And, it's true. 90% of the time, you are just trying to keep the other guys head down....it's that other 10%......I'll let it go at that.

Holy shit. Yeah, I'll refrain from offering you any further shooting advice.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-04-2017, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

That's pretty insane.

Randallflagg · 10-04-2017, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod

Holy shit. Yeah, I'll refrain from offering you any further shooting advice.

Nope. I always take advice from anyone. Matter of fact, speaking of "targets" - this is the system I use regularly (well, every month or two) rather than going to the Bullet Hole or driving out to the country. Works damned well, too!

https://www.itargetpro.com

It IS one of the few "laser" system that I have tried that I really like.

**Lzen** · 10-04-2017, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

Nope. I always take advice from anyone. Matter of fact, speaking of "targets" - this is the system I use regularly (well, every month or two) rather than going to the Bullet Hole or driving out to the country. Works damned well, too!

https://www.itargetpro.com

It IS one of the few "laser" system that I have tried that I really like.

That's cool. Might have to get one.

**Lzen** · 10-04-2017, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod

... If I'm going someplace where I might be forced to leave my gun in the car or otherwise unattended in a non-secure environment, I carry a little 7+1 Ruger LC9s, which is adequate, but just barely.

I carry a Ruger LC9 with a 9+1 extended mag.

**Lzen** · 10-04-2017, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

That doesn't prove anything. 2 completely different places, different officers, different times (I've seen that second one, it's been around for a few years).

Frazod · 10-04-2017, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen

That's cool. Might have to get one.

Yeah, same here.

One of the nice things about the CZ is it's double/single, so I can actually pull the trigger repeatedly when it's dry without racking the slide. Double action pull is obviously heavier than the single, but that's even better for practice.

Strongside · 10-04-2017, 03:32 PM

How is this thread not in DC, mods?

01-03-2017, 06:50 PM
Holladay Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2229480	Conceal Carry weapon choices Probably a re-post, didn't see it after a quick search. I am buy no means a gun expert but know my way around them (ex-military) My wife is seriously looking to CC. That thought alone shocked me. She is quite against guns. She is German and with all the issues Germany has now and stuff here in the states, wants to pursue this privilege. I will as well. Another thought is what is the best way to figure out which states allow. I have surfed the web and it is a bit confusing. She will be house sitting in SC for a month. Thus a long trip by herself through many states. As I understand, KY will prove the hardest state. I have taken her out in our back 40 to practice. I have a 9mm CZ 75 that I bought while stationed in Germany. It is similar to the Beretta 9mm. She is a natural. The practice and repetition is the key as we all know. It is to big for CC. She will be carrying in her purse..eer er "hand bag" ( I got corrected from a female fashionista). We are on a budget and not into an elite weapon. Something that goes bang and scares the would be bad guy. I was hoping for less then $400. We have tried a few different types. Revolver vs Semi. Revolver is simpler but limited ammo. Semi is harder to operate but has more "bangs". My parents have a Makarov 9x18. I thought it was junk, but find out it is quite decent. It is a Walther PPK variant. Cheap ~$300. I read a review about women and hand guns. The author stated that a point is the strength/size of women's hands. Thus semi is not a good option unless she is a masseuse. I giggled, because she is. Her hands are as big as mine which are medium/large guys paws. She has had a little problem pulling the slide back and on another old (S&W Defender) revolver the trigger squeeze. I will use the Defender, not necessarily CC, in my car. If I can find ammo for it. That is another problem. The CZ stays at home. Thoughts?
Posts: 3,632

10-04-2017, 11:16 AM	#155
KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $4552900
Posts: 21,146	1 1

10-04-2017, 03:32 PM	#165
Strongside Mahomes or GTFO Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: KC Casino cash: $5654282	How is this thread not in DC, mods? __________________
Posts: 13,207	1 6