Andy Reid on Mike & Mike: "Alex is our quarterback by the way"

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Don't want to read too much into the conversation but just watched Andy on M&M this morning and he made it clear that Alex was the QB. Mentioned that he could still play, was at the Pro Bowl (), and can do all the things he wants his guy to do.

In essence, we can put any talk of Tony Romo, Nick Foles, or any other retread to bed. But, they did talk about college system QBs briefly (no one specific), and he said that as long as they feel like a guy can learn, it is their job to transition a college system QB and that it doesn't effect their decision on which type to take.

So, will we draft a QB? Idk, my bet is on yes since Foles is apparently gone.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

My point is that, Dorsey assembled a team within the cap that was competitive across the board sufficient to win in the playoffs. Outside the 2ndary which wasn't tested [Raper played an ABYSMAL game], they collectively laid an egg in the one game that mattered.

It's rough, and it's rougher given our history. But this past loss was not a continuation of 40 years of the same thing. It was a much better team than we've had in the past having a collective off day at the worst possible time.

I hoped that they got it out of their system with the Titans game, but there was a hangover from that that bit them in the ass.

Alex has nothing to do with Grbac, Bono, Kreig, DeBerg, etc. Certainly nothing to do with Croyle, Cassel, Palko or Thigpen.

A year or two in the NFL can be a lifetime. Despite what we feel as fans, correlations don't survive for generations.

Heck, Romo [and the entire Cowboys org] has as much heartache over the past 20 years in the playoffs as we do, and people are looking to him as a surefire savior even as he enters his Levitra years.

It's not a continuation of 40 years of the same thing.

It's a continuation of 4 years of the same thing that ended the same way 3 times.

I'm not talking about Cassel, Palko or Thigpen, I'm talking about Alex Smith and the fact that you can essentially make the same argument for every one of his playoff losses.

There are precious few common themes here and he's the one that provides the greatest combination of possible and impactful change.

I gave him far more credit than most. I gave him far more rope than most. The bottom line is that he's used it up and I don't see that as being unfair. At some point the check comes due and for me that check comes when he loses 3 straight 1-score playoff games and misses opportunities for big plays in all of them. That's just too much and at 33 yrs old with no upside left, there's simply no reason for me not to explore alternatives.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

12-4

6-0 in division

Led league in dropped passes

Alex Smith Sucks !

2nd worst*

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

there's simply no reason for me not to explore alternatives.

Exploring alternatives is fine. I operate on the assumption that the FO is exploring alternatives constantly. They better be. They [scouts and executives] better wake up every morning asking 'how can I improve the roster?'

That's different than shrugging and saying 'anything at all is preferable.'

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Well at least we can agree on two things:

1. winning is happy
2. Chiefs desperately NEED a QBotF on the roster by May.

I don't think Smith is a special talent or irreplaceable either, but I do think people prefer to overlook other glaring team deficiencies by focusing too much blame on him.

Well by all means, go ahead. Just save the befuddlement of why Dorsey and Reid keep trotting him out there. You know why.. you just don't want to accept that your focus is misplaced.

The Chiefs... as they were.. were not a team that had it all going on, minus a QB.

Maaaaaaaaybe... they were a team that had enough going on, for an elite QB... but that's a stretch.

Team is still one of the top 5 of the AFC. Just needs major work/luck on... above all... staying healthy. Next up is loosening up on the conservative/sideways offense... FORCE this QB to take the shots OR ELSE... then, fix the dropped passes.. then fix the run blocking.

... and someone teach Fisher how to block 50 yr old pass rushers.

Here is the kicker and why I believe a long term QBotf from the draft is the best way to go. You can build a smart roster around a quarterback that you can believe in year after year we will correct those needs and keep building a better roster so that we get it right one year. I think having a QBotf from the draft brings us closer to a Super Bowl if we happen to get it right and I know good and well it's a crap shoot but the risk is worth the reward because the warranty on retread tires don't hold up.

The Chiefs get desperate with win now with an older quarterback and the older players we drafted last decade don't play up to their caliber so the deficiencies will always continue with this retread quarterback route.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the Chiefs go into the season with Alex Smith as the starter, we can fully expect a 10-12 win season and an early, if not One And Done, playoff exist.

He's hit his ceiling and is in decline. Even if the Chiefs were to get massive improvement from the guards, a dynamic running back and a wide receiver that's in Hill's stratosphere, Alex would be unable to take advantage of those weapons.

It's truly time to move on because we've all seen how this movie ends.

You have given up too?


Sigh.


Like I said, I have no anger toward Smith and the Chiefs any more, just resignation.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Here is the kicker and why I believe a long term QBotf from the draft is the best way to go. You can build a smart roster around a quarterback that you can believe in year after year we will correct those needs and keep building a better roster so that we get it right one year. I think having a QBotf from the draft brings us closer to a Super Bowl if we happen to get it right and I know good and well it's a crap shoot but the risk is worth the reward because the warranty on retread tires don't hold up.

We agree. I read this post and it feels like we are at some impasse. We are not. We both WANT them to pursue a QBotF this offseason.

Wanting this, and being okay/content with Smith as the 2017 starter are two different things. I prefer both these things.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Exploring alternatives is fine. I operate on the assumption that the FO is exploring alternatives constantly. They better be. They [scouts and executives] better wake up every morning asking 'how can I improve the roster?'

That's different than shrugging and saying 'anything at all is preferable.'

And for me I think Foles is a preferable alternative.

Not because I'm certain that the ceiling is higher, but rather that I think the floor is fine. If it's Smith, I remain convinced that a 1st round bye is a possibility but a divisional round loss is all but assured.

With Foles, that first round bye may not be coming but if the shit hits the fan with Foles, the top 10 pick in a loaded QB draft is on its way and that kid gets to come into a team that's still young and deep. It's an ideal launching pad for a young quarterback. And there's a chance, though diminished, that Foles could take this team to the same/similar performance as Smith. In fact, there's a chance his style can do more given the emergence of key playmakers.

I haven't said 'anything at all' is preferable, but I think there are many preferable options and probably the worst of those preferable options is sitting on our roster and under contract for 2017, so with that in hand, there's no reason for me to retain Alex Smith for next season.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by notorious

You have given up too?

Alex Smith is the killer of two things: kittens and dreams

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I haven't said 'anything at all' is preferable, but I think there are many preferable options and probably the worst of those preferable options is sitting on our roster and under contract for 2017, so with that in hand, there's no reason for me to retain Alex Smith for next season.

I can appreciate where you are coming from here.. though I still find it impossible to shake the aforementioned post of yours pre-game to now.

Anyway, why not just hope that Andy and Alex learn from this, and Alex is forced now to become more aggressive?

You think if Andy sees what you saw.. and says to Smith this offseason, "lookit, bro.. I love you and you are being a good soldier, but WE BOTH must take the shots.. or YOU will be out on your ass." ( or if Smith takes his own initiative )

how would you feel then?

[RealSNR]

"I don't know how to say it any more clearly... Matt's the starter."

Just draft the guy. I don't care what happens with Alex Smith this year. I'm patient. If we have a plan for the dude like the Packers with Aaron Rodgers, I'm good with that. But we have to think beyond him.

But we have to start. And I don't think saying, "Next year's QB class is sooo much stronger, let's wait a year" is an option. You can't predict that. A QB class is strong only until it's not. And when it's not, you're screwed.

If Mahomes is good enough to develop given time on the bench, then take him.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I can appreciate where you are coming from here.. though I still find it impossible to shake the aforementioned post of yours pre-game to now.

Anyway, why not just hope that Andy and Alex learn from this, and Alex is forced now to become more aggressive?

You think if Andy sees what you saw.. and says to Smith this offseason, "lookit, bro.. I love you and you are being a good soldier, but WE BOTH must take the shots.. or YOU will be out on your ass." ( or if Smith takes his own initiative )

how would you feel then?

Do you really know what Alex Smith biggest problem is?

It's Andy Reid pass pass pass attempts. Even when they run a run play it's a GOD DAM MOTHER ****ING DRAW. So Alex is passing it 35-45+ times a game and he just isn't a gun slinging quarterback. He needs a run game so he can play action like he did with Gore and Vernon Davis that's how he got his success in San Francisco. Alex is worn out because of Andy Reid pass attempts a game. Yet only 15 touchdowns for the season go figure ?

[RunKC]

"We were going to take you if we didn't already have Alex".

Andy telling that to Carr at the pro bowl should signify one shining beam of hope: Dorsey is scouting QB's hard just like every position we've seen him look to upgrade since he was hired.

Dorsey is scouting these guys every year and Andy isn't wanting to take them unless they are mid round projects. This is 100% on Andy

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I can appreciate where you are coming from here.. though I still find it impossible to shake the aforementioned post of yours pre-game to now.

Anyway, why not just hope that Andy and Alex learn from this, and Alex is forced now to become more aggressive?

You think if Andy sees what you saw.. and says to Smith this offseason, "lookit, bro.. I love you and you are being a good soldier, but WE BOTH must take the shots.. or YOU will be out on your ass." ( or if Smith takes his own initiative )

how would you feel then?

Cold comfort. If Smith doesn't realize this by now, he won't.

And after '17 ends in the same way '16 does, we'll be one season closer to FA for some key players, one season further into the primes of others.

That conversation would be akin to me begging my dogs to learn math. "Seriously Patton, if you don't realize that 2*2 equals 4, they're going to kill us both...."

Seems like it would be better to just ask my kid. The dog ain't gonna get it done but give me some time with the 3 year old and I might just get lucky.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Do you really know what Alex Smith biggest problem is?

It's Andy Reid pass pass pass attempts. Even when they run a run play it's a GOD DAM MOTHER ****ING DRAW. So Alex is passing it 35-45+ times a game and he just isn't a gun slinging quarterback. He needs a run game so he can play action like he did with Gore and Vernon Davis that's how he got his success in San Francisco. Alex is worn out because of Andy Reid pass attempts a game. Yet only 15 touchdowns for the season go figure ?

It's a passing League. KC was ranked 25th in pass attempts per game.

KC was ranked 17th on OL run blocking this season.. Last season, they were ranked 5th.. the year before 7th.. the year before 2nd.

Think about that for a minute (no condescension intended).

The problem is either ANDY REID or ANDY REID... or the OL.. and let me explain.

Either the OL just sucked at run blocking....

or Andy's sideways BS playcalling, and lack of deep shot testicles is putting defenses on notice to move up closer and key the run. (seems unfathomable with guys like Hill and Kelce, right?)

or Alex's testes are so minuscule, that he simply will not take the time or effort in backing off the D with aggression.

So which is it? because I'll tell you... even if... EVEN IF... it is 100% Alex Smith?

then the problem... is ANDY REID. He is the HC and OC. He is in charge of his QB. If Smith is not doing what his HC and OC want... and is still on the field..

then it's still ON ANDY REID.


Agree or disagree?

[kccrow]

The KC Media needs to start punching Andy Reid in the mouth about Alex Smith. Prove to us why he believes Alex deserves another shot. I don't see a single reason to give it to him. What is it that makes Andy ****ing Reid believe it? Is it the countless plays per game that Alex leaves on the field that makes him believe? Turn up the ****ing heat on this.