It has gone beyond embarrassing

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by SNR

Also, if the risk involved in picking just any ol' QB with a high draft pick boils down to "the team is forced to live with his mistakes for too long," then I don't know what to tell you. Teams need QBs. If they don't draft a guy, then they go the Chiefs route of trading for backups.

Elvis Grbacs, Rich Gannons, and Matt Cassels aren't any safer than rolling the dice on risky QBs in the first round. When they bust, they still require the franchise to give the company line, "Just be patient." The only difference is that when they succeed, they succeed as bullshit game managers, and when they fail they fail just as hard and fast as the QBs that fail spectacularly.

So does it come down to the pricetag, Baby Lee? If you're going to hang yourself, you shouldn't pay too much?

If the situation is as dire as ours, you don't settle for a Gannon or Cassel either. If the talent isn't there in the draft class you find the way to trade for the Montanas, Youngs and Mannings out there.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

If the situation is as dire as ours, you don't settle for a Gannon or Cassel either. If the talent isn't there in the draft class you find the way to trade for the Montanas, Youngs and Mannings out there.

The talent is there in this draft class.

Something tells me that it is this little tidbit that has created this HUGE difference in thinking between SNR, myself, and you.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

If the situation is as dire as ours, you don't settle for a Gannon or Cassel either. If the talent isn't there in the draft class you find the way to trade for the Montanas, Youngs and Mannings out there.

If Smith, Wilson, and Barkley truly are 2nd round talents (which they aren't) and not worth the Chiefs' time, then we're stuck going a different route: trading for Alex Smith, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez or trying to sign Joe Flacco away from the Ravens.

Or we keep what we have and draft another slapdick Ricky Stanzi/Kirk Cousins clone to ride the bench under futile QB leadership.

All in the name of "draft value." And not setting the franchise back.

What's the appropriate solution?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by SNR

If Smith, Wilson, and Barkley truly are 2nd round talents (which they aren't) and not worth the Chiefs' time, then we're stuck going a different route: trading for Alex Smith, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez or trying to sign Joe Flacco away from the Ravens.

Or we keep what we have and draft another slapdick Ricky Stanzi/Kirk Cousins clone to ride the bench under futile QB leadership.

All in the name of "draft value." And not setting the franchise back.

What's the appropriate solution?

Goalposts movin' all over up in here.

There's a gulf of difference between;

'get the QB as soon as you can because we need one and if it's not the right guy we can throw him in the gutter and go buy another'

and

'these 3 guys are each certified 1st round material, and drafting them is a near lock, but even if he doesn't live up to certified status you have to try.'

A GULF.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Goalposts movin' all over up in here.

There's a gulf of difference between;

'get the QB as soon as you can because we need one and if it's not the right guy we can throw him in the gutter and go buy another'

and

'these 3 guys are each certified 1st round material, and drafting them is a near lock, but even if he doesn't live up to certified status you have to try.'

A GULF.

Hey, I just figured that if you can use ridiculous hypotheticals that have no bearing on the argument, then I can move the goalposts a few inches.

[DeezNutz]

If Smith is gone, there will be Wilson. If both are gone, there will be Barkley. All are legitimate first-round talents.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If Smith is gone, there will be Wilson. If both are gone, there will be Barkley. All are legitimate first-round talents.

Exactly.

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If Smith is gone, there will be Wilson. If both are gone, there will be Barkley. All are legitimate first-round talents.

If Smith and Wilson is gone at 1 & 2 and we are at 3 and you think Barkley is the 3rd best QB in the draft, yet he isn't the best fit for this team , you let that sucker go by. Take BPA, find some other team that has a sloberfest hard on for a weak armed QB and acquire another 1 or a 2, package something together somewhere somehow to get a quality BPA at a 1 and take Bray at the other 1 to complete your draft. You then have your 2 to grab another player unless you had to use him in your package to get 2 - #1high enough to get your QB and BPA.

This team has man needs but to settle for a guy like Barkley that doesn't fit our plans of stretching the field is assine. We have that in Cassel now, at least Quinn or Stanzi can throw it deep to keep the corners and safeties from crowding the line.

Sure the CBA has cut the risk of selecting a QB high now, but would you still want Barkley if the CBA wasn't the way it is now ?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

This team has man needs but to settle for a guy like Barkley that doesn't fit our plans of stretching the field is assine. We have that in Cassel now, at least Quinn or Stanzi can throw it deep to keep the corners and safeties from crowding the line.

This team has a plan to stretch the field?

Do you know who the next coach is already?

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This team has a plan to stretch the field?

Do you know who the next coach is already?

Copycat league, if we are not we must be on the leading edge to bring the WC offense back.

Barkley's only chance to succeed in the NFL is with a team planning more ball control or a WC offense.

[Guitarkore]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.

This...

[Dayze]

we're headed towards LT-ville.

LT or MLB.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Reach for the Dark Penii Dayze.

[RealSNR]

For sure in the top 5:
Geno
Wilson

Possibly in the top 5:
Barkley
Murray

That's as far as I'm willing to go. Four ain't a bad haul if it works that way.

At the worst, you'll see probably 3 of those QBs go in the top 10, and four, five, or possibly even six QBs go in the first round.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SNR

For sure in the top 5:
Geno
Wilson

Possibly in the top 5:
Barkley
Murray

That's as far as I'm willing to go. Four ain't a bad haul if it works that way.

At the worst, you'll see probably 3 of those QBs go in the top 10, and four, five, or possibly even six QBs go in the first round.

I think you could arguably move Barkley from the 2nd group to the 1st.

But again, the bottom line is that we're going to have a top 3 pick. We're not talking about spending our 1st-round draft pick on EJ Manuel.