Welp, back on the hate wagon

[RealSNR]

Who's with me?

**** this franchise in the ****ing neck.

I hate Alex Smith, Eric Fisher, our entire secondary, our dickhole coaching staff, Dee Ford for not being a player who could actually help us, and ESPECIALLY McGlynn.

[kcpasco]

Reid is a tough one for me. Yes he is frustrating at times but he also is the reason the Chiefs aren't a complete embarrassment anymore.

The playoff game last year when he kept throwing the ball and stopping the clock in the second half about did it for me though. Either he had no confidence in Davis not to fumble or he just went full reerun I have no clue.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

I'm glad you don't coach. Every time we came out in base personnel, they walked woodson down into the box and he chased JC down. Every. Play. Kelce missing some key blocks at the LOS didnt help, either.. We could barely run the ball in that set.

When we spread them out its much easier to see the lanes and gives us the option to check to a bubble to kelce/DAT.

that's a fair/legit point.

I was coming from the view point that they were killing us badly (it seemed) when we lined up in gun. I don't have the numbers, I just remember seeing them line up and thinking "here comes another run", ball would be snapped, and we get crushed.

again though...i think their DL was just dominant a majority of the game and were all over us like ugly on an ape.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by PackerinMo

I think Reids biggest flaw is his goal line play calling, he's always getting cute down there. Alex Smith is awful at passing in the red zone yet tubby thinks its a fantastic idea to put the ball in his hands in short yardage situations when the Chiefs have the best rb in the league. Philly didn't run him out with his head on a spike for nothing. Get used to it, he will cost you games over and over.

Not sure where last night puts us, but dude... we were #3 in redzone scoring going into last night.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kcpasco

Reid is a tough one for me. Yes he is frustrating at times but he also is the reason the Chiefs aren't a complete embarrassment anymore.

The playoff game last year when he kept throwing the ball and stopping the clock in the second half about did it for me though. Either he had no confidence in Davis not to fumble or he just went full reerun I have no clue.

Reid got out coached. I've been tough on the guy. But if there was ever a mulligan, it's this game. I highly doubt Reid walks in with this kind of game plan on a normal week. Thursday night football has to be one of the most frustrating, nonsensical ideas in the history of football.

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Not sure where last night puts us, but dude... we were #3 in redzone scoring going into last night.

I said smith is awful in the red zone not your team, Charles is money and usually hits paydirt for you guys.

[chokeartist]

Originally Posted by PackerinMo

I said smith is awful in the red zone not your team, Charles is money and usually hits paydirt for you guys.

alex MIGHT have a shot at a redzone touchdown if it werent for EVERY pass situation near the 5 being some sort of bootleg/roll right with only 1 receiver option on that side of the endzone. its the same. play. every. time. with minor tweaks. the only one in recent memory that worked was the pitch option to charles.

As for andy reid - What other coach in the NFL gets away with 'just getting off the field' down 11 with possession at 3 minutes before the half?!?!?!?!?

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Dayze

that's a fair/legit point.

I was coming from the view point that they were killing us badly (it seemed) when we lined up in gun. I don't have the numbers, I just remember seeing them line up and thinking "here comes another run", ball would be snapped, and we get crushed.

again though...i think their DL was just dominant a majority of the game and were all over us like ugly on an ape.

Even when we spread them, their DL was on JC. One thing we could have done to HELP the run game, was to run zone read. Smith pulling the mesh and running/sliding for 4-5yds would have at least kept their dline honest.

[bevischief]

A friend of mine is a eagle's fan and he warned me about games like this and Reid when he was hired. ..

[Baby Lee]

Anyone else think of this whenever you see this thread?

[temper11]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

This is what everyone was afraid of when we talk about our offense's limitations.

It's not that we want to see tons of yards or sexy passes to wide receivers, it's that we'll NEED it at some point in time.

Tonight, we needed a QB that could make all the throws and we got a guy that takes sacks with :40 on the clock with no timeouts. A guy that is afraid to throw the ball 15 yards down field for fear of.. what? I don't even ****ing know.

Alex Smith has proven time and time again that when he can't lean on the running game, he doesn't make the plays necessary to win football games.

Was it the running game or the passing game that put 17pts on the board last night to give the Chiefs the lead? It was the passing game. It was Smith making plays in the second half despite his shit o line and league worst WR core.

The sack? You are going to bitch about the sack? Guy came through the middle of the line obscured, but untouched and is in Smith's face within two seconds of the snap.

Kelce dropped the first down pass... ball went right through his hands and hits the turf. Hammond is for some inexplicable reason 4 yards past the line to gain on a 4th and long timing play.

I thought Smith's play was flat in the first half along with the rest of the team, but he was playing well in the second half.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by temper11

Was it the running game or the passing game that put 17pts on the board last night to give the Chiefs the lead? It was the passing game. It was Smith making plays in the second half despite his shit o line and league worst WR core.

The sack? You are going to bitch about the sack? Guy came through the middle of the line obscured, but untouched and is in Smith's face within two seconds of the snap.

Kelce dropped the first down pass... ball went right through his hands and hits the turf. Hammond is for some inexplicable reason 4 yards past the line to gain on a 4th and long timing play.

I thought Smith's play was flat in the first half along with the rest of the team, but he was playing well in the second half.

It was also Smith ACTUALLY THROWING to Dwayne Bowe.

You know, using those guys on the edges of the field for something other than downfield blocking...

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by temper11

Was it the running game or the passing game that put 17pts on the board last night to give the Chiefs the lead? It was the passing game. It was Smith making plays in the second half despite his shit o line and league worst WR core.



The sack? You are going to bitch about the sack? Guy came through the middle of the line obscured, but untouched and is in Smith's face within two seconds of the snap.



Kelce dropped the first down pass... ball went right through his hands and hits the turf. Hammond is for some inexplicable reason 4 yards past the line to gain on a 4th and long timing play.



I thought Smith's play was flat in the first half along with the rest of the team, but he was playing well in the second half.

That was the 3rd quarter, dude. There was still the threat of the run. Actually, we only scored that TD to Fasano because they thought we would run and Jamaal did ALL the work on the second TD.

Alex made some plays when he started going down field for sure. He balled out for exactly 1 quarter. I'm going to need my $68 million man to turn in at least 2 good quarters when we need it.

And that sack was absolutely atrocious. You CANNOT take a sack there under any circumstances. Any great QB would recognize where the blitz might come from pre-snap and know where his receivers are so he can throw it their feet if worst came to worst.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

That was the 3rd quarter, dude. There was still the threat of the run. Actually, we only scored that TD to Fasano because they thought we would run and Jamaal did ALL the work on the second TD.

Alex made some plays when he started going down field for sure. He balled out for exactly 1 quarter. I'm going to need my $68 million man to turn in at least 2 good quarters when we need it.

And that sack was absolutely atrocious. You CANNOT take a sack there under any circumstances. Any great QB would recognize where the blitz might come from pre-snap and know where his receivers are so he can throw it their feet if worst came to worst.

TD drives came in the 3rd and 4th qtr. Jamaal did great work on the TD pass yes, but there were still a number of good passing plays to get them in that position to begin with. Run was getting stuffed because the line was getting driven into the back field on damn near every play.

Your gripe on the sack is BS. Smith is one of the more mobile QB's in the league. He'd already alluded a sure sack earlier in the drive. His eyes were downfield and the blitz came up the middle untouched. Wilson took a similar sack like that last week and no one was putting that on Wilson. Our line sucks. We know our line sucks.... I don't know why we pretend it doesn't by blaming the QB for line suckage.

I think Smith should have pulled the trigger on Bowe in the end zone. That one is his. He went conservative and opted for the sure lead with a FG than risking a potential drive killing pick. He opted to take the lead and rely on the strength of the team which is the defense. It's held against far better teams the past two weeks, no reason not to think it wouldn't against a much weaker team. It didn't. I thought he should have pulled the trigger, but the smart play was probably what he did.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by temper11

TD drives came in the 3rd and 4th qtr. Jamaal did great work on the TD pass yes, but there were still a number of good passing plays to get them in that position to begin with. Run was getting stuffed because the line was getting driven into the back field on damn near every play.



Your gripe on the sack is BS. Smith is one of the more mobile QB's in the league. He'd already alluded a sure sack earlier in the drive. His eyes were downfield and the blitz came up the middle untouched. Wilson took a similar sack like that last week and no one was putting that on Wilson. Our line sucks. We know our line sucks.... I don't know why we pretend it doesn't by blaming the QB for line suckage.



I think Smith should have pulled the trigger on Bowe in the end zone. That one is his. He went conservative and opted for the sure lead with a FG than risking a potential drive killing pick. He opted to take the lead and rely on the strength of the team which is the defense. It's held against far better teams the past two weeks, no reason not to think it wouldn't against a much weaker team. It didn't. I thought he should have pulled the trigger, but the smart play was probably what he did.

When a guy is open in the end zone you throw him the ****ing ball.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by SNR

It was also Smith ACTUALLY THROWING to Dwayne Bowe.

You know, using those guys on the edges of the field for something other than downfield blocking...

Atleast you're able to see that when Smith wants to, he can and will use the outside, there were two drives where he started letting it rip out there and things started to happen... it was too late, but they did start to happen.

Not that he'll ever be a gunslinger, but were we ever able to get something more explosive than Bowe and Wilson out there, I'd bet that our deep game gets a lot better.