Demetrius Harris: Idiot

[Grim]

Felony possession of marijuana!?!?!??!

http://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-c...ession/9106994

What an idiot.

[DaneMcCloud]

Isn't a little weird that Harris was arrested way back on March 8th but there's been no trial or follow up info?

[thegame214]

The go to guy for two point conversions last year: Denver and Pitt, he's been having a great preseason

[O.city]

Ask, people have been down on Harris for the most part but his developmental curve has been exactly what you'd want

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Travis seems like the guy that's been awesome in otas and the like but when the pads come on he back slides. It's understandable because of the back ground but it's been 2 years in a row

What's a bit surprising is that the Chiefs chose to trade O'Shaugnessey, who'd actually shown a little something when healthy, over Travis, who's basically shown nothing, other than he's tall.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What's a bit surprising is that the Chiefs chose to trade O'Shaugnessey, who'd actually shown a little something when healthy, over Travis, who's basically shown nothing, other than he's tall.

Yeah

I get it, they probably feel Oshags is topped out and Travis has much more upside to go but he hasn't really shown much in the field to date IMO

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What's a bit surprising is that the Chiefs chose to trade O'Shaugnessey, who'd actually shown a little something when healthy, over Travis, who's basically shown nothing, other than he's tall.

Shags had enough value to get a little bit in return, Travis didn't. Neither guy would've made meaningful contributions last year (and Shags isn't better than Escobar, who I don't even like that much).

Smart move, IMO. If you feel like you have 2 guys that are at least close in terms of likely production and one of them can net you an actual return, trade the guy with more 'name' on account of his pedigree and develop the one that wasn't gonna get you a pick back.

[O.city]

There's gonna be some roster crunch at a few spots

Who do they keep at rb? Te? Dl? ILB?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What's a bit surprising is that the Chiefs chose to trade O'Shaugnessey, who'd actually shown a little something when healthy, over Travis, who's basically shown nothing, other than he's tall.

I think the Chiefs felt deep at the position and could get value in the trade...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

There's gonna be some roster crunch at a few spots

Who do they keep at rb? Te? Dl? ILB?

I still don't think they'll keep West and Spiller (and I don't see why I should still see 'upside' in Spiller. I'll take West).

TE appears to be Travis vs. Escobar

DL is probably King vs. Jenkins. I'd go King but I see an argument for Jenkins as well.

Gotta figure ILB ends up Mauga vs. Smith. I'd take Smith but again I see why they would take Mauga. Ultimately I can see Eligwe and Smith being a little redundant in terms of their development and skill-set and they may prefer keep the steadier Mauga around. Wouldn't be my call as I think DJ could implode again and we'd want the athlete with coverage upside (Smith) over Mauga, who's effectively little more than Ramik's backup.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Shags had enough value to get a little bit in return, Travis didn't. Neither guy would've made meaningful contributions last year (and Shags isn't better than Escobar, who I don't even like that much).

Smart move, IMO. If you feel like you have 2 guys that are at least close in terms of likely production and one of them can net you an actual return, trade the guy with more 'name' on account of his pedigree and develop the one that wasn't gonna get you a pick back.

Originally Posted by Rausch

I think the Chiefs felt deep at the position and could get value in the trade...

I don't disagree with the trade but I do wonder if Travis is meeting their expectations.

I'd guess that answer is no.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I still don't think they'll keep West and Spiller (and I don't see why I should still see 'upside' in Spiller. I'll take West).

TE appears to be Travis vs. Escobar

DL is probably King vs. Jenkins. I'd go King but I see an argument for Jenkins as well.

Gotta figure ILB ends up Mauga vs. Smith. I'd take Smith but again I see why they would take Mauga. Ultimately I can see Eligwe and Smith being a little redundant in terms of their development and skill-set and they may prefer keep the steadier Mauga around. Wouldn't be my call as I think DJ could implode again and we'd want the athlete with coverage upside (Smith) over Mauga, who's effectively little more than Ramik's backup.

If DJ implodes they're gonna need a run stopper though. I don't really like Mauga but he is what he is so I get it.

I'm not big in west but if he's healthy I'd keep him over spiller though I think spiller could excel in that 3rd rb /wr role if healthy.

Tight end I don't really care about either way.

Dl intrigues me. I would actually prefer to keep an extra body there as it's a high attrition position. I'm interested to see if miller is healthy. If so, he could really add something

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't disagree with the trade but I do wonder if Travis is meeting their expectations.

I'd guess that answer is no.

Seems unlikely. If he had, I don't expect we'd have signed Escobar.

The Chiefs have established a patter here when it comes to those fringe roster players. If they think they can get 90% as much production at the same cost as someone they can move for a late round pick, they'll move the 'better' player to extract surplus value.

They moved a couple of lineman, Kelcie McCray, Shags and I suspect we could see something like that happen with Jenkins if someone wants to give up a 5th for him and we can replace him with King (or West/Spiller, etc...).

They've been very value oriented with the back of the roster. It's smart, IMO.

[O.city]

I've been thinking they may end up keeping spiller and flipping west for a late rounder. I'd like to see them try and land another corner somewhere but that's not gonna be easy

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I still don't think they'll keep West and Spiller (and I don't see why I should still see 'upside' in Spiller. I'll take West).

TE appears to be Travis vs. Escobar

DL is probably King vs. Jenkins. I'd go King but I see an argument for Jenkins as well.

Gotta figure ILB ends up Mauga vs. Smith. I'd take Smith but again I see why they would take Mauga. Ultimately I can see Eligwe and Smith being a little redundant in terms of their development and skill-set and they may prefer keep the steadier Mauga around. Wouldn't be my call as I think DJ could implode again and we'd want the athlete with coverage upside (Smith) over Mauga, who's effectively little more than Ramik's backup.

I'll take West, Escobar and Jenkins. If King clears waivers, he's PS eligible, as is Travis.

I don't see Smith or Mauga making the 53 but if it's one over the other, I see them going with Mauga because Smith is PS eligible.

Eligwe, KPL, Ramik Wilson, Mauga and DJ sounds about right but since no one was banging on Mauga's door this offseason, and he's stated that he's a permanent resident of Kansas after having a new baby this year, I could see a scenario in which they cut him and put him on Speed Dial.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've been thinking they may end up keeping spiller and flipping west for a late rounder. I'd like to see them try and land another corner somewhere but that's not gonna be easy

I can't see that as a scenario at all. West is only 26 and has serious upside. Running back has been a thorn in their side the past few seasons due to injuries and Spiller is a walking MASH unit.