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Old 08-18-2014, 03:56 PM  
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Teething Problems Up Front

After the departure of three key offensive linemen you would excuse the Chiefs’ for being off the pace up front and they certainly struggled in their first extended outing of preseason.

All five starting linemen earned negative grades in pass protection with Eric Fisher (40 snaps, -1.4 overall), Jeff Allen and Zach Fulton (40 snaps, -4.6 overall) surrendering multiple pressures. Conceding the most pressure was new right guard Fulton who let up a pair of hits and a pair of hurries, getting started early as Star Lotulelei drove outside of him for a hurry early in the game.

The bright point, and potential pressure for Fulton’s starting job, came from new signing Jeff Linkenbach (27 snaps, +3.8 overall) who surrendered no pressure with the second team and put in a very strong run-blocking display to offer a modicum of hope.
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Old 08-19-2014, 12:13 PM   #151
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Did someone act like Carolina has a world-beating defensive line? Did someone espouse that notion?

Because if they did, I fart in their general direction.
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:01 PM   #152
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So the most-used excuse for Fisher isn't valid for Stephenson?

Interesting.

By the way, we have actual observational experience of Stephenson playing LEFT tackle at an adequate level. Sunday's preseason game means less than nothing in this conversation. It's completely irrelevant.
Stephenson has played 1 year longer and didn't have shoulder surgery. He also went to LeCharles Bentley's highly documented camp for OL.

What competition was Stephenson against while playing LT? It's early for Fisher, but the Bengals and Panthers DL are both top 10. Still too early for him.

Let's check back on this after the first month of the season. If Fisher is still struggling than we have problems.
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:02 PM   #153
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Did someone act like Carolina has a world-beating defensive line? Did someone espouse that notion?

Because if they did, I fart in their general direction.
They do have a good line
Great front seven in general

They did lead the league in sacks last year
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:05 PM   #154
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Not sure if is a strength of technique issue, but it seems to me Fishers tends to lunge at defenders

Most guys that do that do so because they get constantly pushed back and or knocked off balance easily

He is going to give up a lot of quick pressures until he can figure that out
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:15 PM   #155
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Stephenson has played 1 year longer and didn't have shoulder surgery. He also went to LeCharles Bentley's highly documented camp for OL.

What competition was Stephenson against while playing LT? It's early for Fisher, but the Bengals and Panthers DL are both top 10. Still too early for him.

Let's check back on this after the first month of the season. If Fisher is still struggling than we have problems.
Stephenson has played the actual Left tackle position in actual real-live NFL games, which is more than we can say for Fisher.

This isn't about Fisher struggling. This about the idea that once they decided to get rid of Albert they were FORCED to draft Fisher.

That's the kind of tunnel vision that creates 20-year playoff droughts.
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:28 PM   #156
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Did someone act like Carolina has a world-beating defensive line? Did someone espouse that notion?



Because if they did, I fart in their general direction.

CP, ladies and gentlemen!

Only on CP is a defensive line featuring Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy and Star Lotululei not considered one of the best in the league.
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:35 PM   #157
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CP, ladies and gentlemen!

Only on CP is a defensive line featuring Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy and Star Lotululei not considered one of the best in the league.
I couldn't tell from his post, but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was being sarcastic.
That Defense was #2 in the league last year behind Seattle. Their front seven is arguably the best in the league let alone just that amazing Dline.
That very well could be the best Dline we face all year.
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:47 PM   #158
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There were no other options to letting Albert go. Don't even bring up Stephenson at LT bc he looked way worse than Fisher the other night.
Stephenson looked solid all of last year.

Fisher hasn't looked solid for more than one game...
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Stephenson is our best offensive lineman.

Much like how Milkman stated he hasn't heard much about Cooper, we don't hear shit about Stephenson. That means those guys are doing their jobs.

... Well, at least better than the shit stains we have playing next to them anyway.
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Old 08-19-2014, 02:05 PM   #160
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Not sure if is a strength of technique issue, but it seems to me Fishers tends to lunge at defenders

Most guys that do that do so because they get constantly pushed back and or knocked off balance easily

He is going to give up a lot of quick pressures until he can figure that out
Lunging as an offensive linemen is a clear sign that your technique has broken down...otherwise, you bend your knees and use your arms and hips to properly mirror the man you are blocking.

I didn't get a chance to watch either PS game (a few minutes of the second half of the Panthers game) and cant speak from my own viewing of the game, but if he is still lunging that's a HUGE red flag at this point.

Fishers upper body strength is below average and it seems that his technique is just as bad as last year, too if he truly is constantly lunging at defenders out of desperation.
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Stephenson has played 1 year longer and didn't have shoulder surgery. He also went to LeCharles Bentley's highly documented camp for OL.

What competition was Stephenson against while playing LT? It's early for Fisher, but the Bengals and Panthers DL are both top 10. Still too early for him.

Let's check back on this after the first month of the season. If Fisher is still struggling than we have problems.
A tackle taken with the first pick should look damn impressive. He shouldn't be getting ran over by guys like Parys Haralson and Carlos Dunlap.

He was manhandled last year when he wasn't coming off shoulder surgery.

The excuses keep on coming.
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Old 08-19-2014, 02:10 PM   #162
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IMO (and Ive held this stance since it was clear Albert was walking out the door) this is how our line SHOULD line up...

LT Fisher
LG Hudson
C Kush
RG pick em...let the rookie play
RT Stephenson

Shit, if Fisher is looking like hot garbage, line em up like this:

LT Stephenson
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C Kush
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RT Fisher (he was playing the position effectively the last few games)
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A tackle taken with the first pick should look damn impressive. He shouldn't be getting ran over by guys like Parys Haralson and Carlos Dunlap.

He was manhandled last year when he wasn't coming off shoulder surgery.

The excuses keep on coming.
I watched WITH MY OWN EYES as Austin Lane walked him like a dog at training camp last year....a guy cut by the jaguars and us.

Carlos Dunlap isn't a bad player, but as you said first overall picks need to be able to dominate those level of players.
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Stephenson is our best offensive lineman.

Much like how Milkman stated he hasn't heard much about Cooper, we don't hear shit about Stephenson. That means those guys are doing their jobs.

... Well, at least better than the shit stains we have playing next to them anyway.
Stephenson did not do a good job in week 2.
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I watched WITH MY OWN EYES as Austin Lane walked him like a dog at training camp last year....a guy cut by the jaguars and us.

Carlos Dunlap isn't a bad player, but as you said first overall picks need to be able to dominate those level of players.

Jesus, what were the people around you saying when everyone saw that?
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