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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-12-2015, 02:13 PM   #1591
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:30 PM   #1592
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Yep. A team that is a contender doesnt trade its closer unless you have a guy like Wade Davis pitching the 8th to promote.
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:39 PM   #1593
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Herrera could be dealt but Davis should be untouchable
Yeah, the return on Davis might not be that overwhelming, either.

The Giles return is pretty tremendous for the Phillies because the Astros get Giles for 5 years. Same type of thing comes into play with Herrera (who has three years of service time remaining - edit: was reading his clock time wrong).

It would be tough to lose Herrera, but the prospect of adding two Yordano Ventura-level players (What the Astros got in Velasquez and Appel, plus a few more pieces) is tougher to pass up, IMO.

Maybe you COULD get a Joc Pederson and Jose De Leon-type return from the Dodgers for Herrera. That would be fairly similar, if slightly lesser, than what the Phillies got for Giles.
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:43 PM   #1594
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Maybe you COULD get a Joc Pederson and Jose De Leon-type return from the Dodgers for Herrera. That would be fairly similar, if slightly lesser, than what the Phillies got for Giles.
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:45 PM   #1595
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Probably in straight-up swap territory at that point. It might work. Not sure Moore would have interest in Puig, at all.

He places such a premium on leadership types...
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:48 PM   #1598
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Yet, I have a feeling we're not going to see Moose or Cain (two players who have seen similar turnarounds) sign one of these "fair" deals (plz prove me wrong GMDM).
I've got no problem with guys taking the $, everyone of us has done it. They get peanuts as minor leaguers and they're cut/traded/benched constantly. Look at Christian Colon or Dyson - they should be (or could be) starters and getting service time + proving themselves but management blocks them. Etc

If Gordon or whoever leaves, great. They only earned their big $ by playing well for us.
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I've got no problem with guys taking the $, everyone of us has done it. They get peanuts as minor leaguers and they're cut/traded/benched constantly. Look at Christian Colon or Dyson - they should be (or could be) starters and getting service time + proving themselves but management blocks them. Etc

If Gordon or whoever leaves, great. They only earned their big $ by playing well for us.
Me neither. My point is that it's pretty rare to see players of Gordon's talent giving their prime years to the hometown team.

Sure, it worked out for both sides, but there's a reason national writers have coined it as a hometown discount (it's probably the best example of such a signing over the last five years).
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Me neither. My point is that it's pretty rare to see players of Gordon's talent giving their prime years to the hometown team.

Sure, it worked out for both sides, but there's a reason national writers have coined it as a hometown discount (it's probably the best example of such a signing over the last five years).
I think Gordon's consistency and excellence over the past four seasons have also affected people's memories, too.

It is a deal that looks great in hindsight, but Alex signed that extension after his breakout 2011. He had only one "GREAT" season in the majors, and the Royals guaranteed him $52 million.

If he had proven unable to adjust once the league adjusted to his offensive approach changes, KC could been on the hook for a lot of guaranteed cash for little return.
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I think Gordon's consistency and excellence over the past four seasons have also affected people's memories, too.

It is a deal that looks great in hindsight, but Alex signed that extension after his breakout 2011. He had only one "GREAT" season in the majors, and the Royals guaranteed him $52 million.

If he had proven unable to adjust once the league adjusted to his offensive approach changes, KC could been on the hook for a lot of guaranteed cash for little return.
I understand this analysis, but I simply don't feel like this is how the market works anymore.

Do you think that Scott Boras would ever recommend that his clients sign away two of their prime seasons?

If this were the prevailing logic, I feel like Moore would have had zero problems giving Cain and Moose extensions after their breakout years.

I don't feel like the analysis on the Gordon deal is merely hindsight, at the time many writers said it was a phenomenal deal for KC.
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On top of cost control Herrera is a versatile reliever. He can be a fireman or give you 2 innings.
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Cain is somebody who they might be able to buy out of arbitration and keep him for a couple years after. He is going to be 32 when he hits free agency and all of his years before that will be arbitration and he didn't have the luxury of being a high pick like Hosmer or Moose to get the big signing bonus.
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