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Old 12-31-2012, 09:43 AM  
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Clark Hunt Statement
"I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for Romeo, both personally and professionally," Chiefs Chairman and CEO Clark Hunt said. "He is an accomplished coach, a man of great character and he helped guide our football team through some extremely challenging circumstances this season.

"However, I am embarrassed by the poor product we gave our fans this season, and I believe we have no choice but to move the franchise in a different direction. I will immediately begin the search for the next head coach of the Chiefs. The entire football operation will remain under review, and there may be additional changes to come. No final determination has been made at this point on the future of General Manager Scott Pioli.

"Finally, I want to personally apologize to our fans for our performance this season. We are blessed to play for some of the best and most passionate fans in the National Football League and they deserve better than what we gave them this season. I want our fans to know that I will do everything I can to provide them with a dramatically better team - both next season and in the seasons to come - and our entire organization appreciates their support."



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Old 12-31-2012, 04:27 PM   #1531
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If we hire Reid.....be prepared to watch Charles get 12-15 carries a game.
and another 8 catches out of the backfield.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:27 PM   #1532
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Actually, I have.

I am not sure anybody really understood my argument to begin with and now it's just a typical CP dick measuring contest so it's lost...
Link to the first statement?

What did we miss? Of the retreads, you believe that Billick would be the best choice because he adapts based on his talent.

True, Cowher might be a scheme guy, but we're prepared to run this scheme, and his overall record is superior. There is almost no way to come to any other conclusion, no matter how much one plays with the numbers. And Cowher has also demonstrated adaptability.

Overall, both might not be the best options possible, but I believe that we often look down on Cowher because of his connection to KC, ironically enough.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:27 PM   #1533
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It amazes me that drafturbators, defenders of the 1st round QB above other statistical outliers, are defending retread SB winning head coaches, which is an even lower statistical outlier.

Billick, Gruden, Cowher? **** all of them. History says they won't win another SB.

Arians, Reid, Kelly, these are our best options.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:28 PM   #1534
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Oh God damn...

Now we are saying Billick didn't have a chance at a franchise qb?

Trade up. You have bitched for years that we haven't. Only the last two have been cost controlled.

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He did.

You seriously need to look at those drafts and re-state your case here because there really was nobody available.

2002: David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, David Gerrard
2003: Carson Palmer (#1 overall), Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman


Palmer was the only guy from those 2 drafts worth trading up for and the Bengals were not going to give up that pick. Palmer was that season's Andrew Luck and the Bengals desperately needed a QB.

So in the 2 year period where they were needing to move up for a QB, they did. And in so doing, they took the guy most believed was the best available option at that spot and gave him a shot.

In fact, you could make a very strong argument that trading up for Boller is what actually ****ed them. Had they gone and gotten a veteran and waited for the 2003 draft, they'd have set themselves up very nicely in a loaded QB draft. But be careful here because that is exactly the kind of thinking that has you taking Manti Te'o and waiting for Teddy Bridgewater in 2014.

Billick's handling of the QB position was pretty damn defensible given the guys actually available.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:28 PM   #1535
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Why are we wasting time with a pissing match about Cowher and Billick? Let's be real here....neither one are going to be coaching here barring a major surprise. Reid, I could see...but I don't think either of these 2 are here. Give it up.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:28 PM   #1536
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And yet Boll Cowher was taking guys like Kordell Stuart and Neil Odonnel to championship games and superbowls.
And losing them.

Hey, if you want to live in the 1990's, it's your choice.

I'll take the guy who knows a thing about a passing offense, and has experience drafting a defensive powerhouse.

I'll also take the guy who isn't being hired in part because of his connection to the franchise and his ability to sell tickets.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:28 PM   #1537
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Hey Clay, I want Kelly although....

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but it can't prove it.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:28 PM   #1538
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Let's be honest, here. Billick didn't transition into some defensive guru. He just stayed out of the way of Marvin Lewis and Rex Ryan. Props to him for identifying the talent he had on that side of the ball and understanding he didn't need those Minnesota offenses to win, but let's not label him something he's not.
Guys like Billick are sure to pick up some knowledge about defenses, though.

Belichick could probably be a pretty damn good offensive coordinator in the NFL if he had to be one.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:29 PM   #1539
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1 championship in 15 years.

1 championship in 8 years.

The rest only matters to the folks who enjoy their party in the parking lot.

This board is funny.

Peyton Manning never could win the big one, but lets praise Coach Cowher for making it to the playoffs so many times.
Praising? Not exactly. Claiming that he's the best of the retreads and would instantly restore credibility to this dog shit organization? Yep.
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It amazes me that drafturbators, defenders of the 1st round QB above other statistical outliers, are defending retread SB winning head coaches, which is an even lower statistical outlier.

Billick, Gruden, Cowher? **** all of them. History says they won't win another SB.

Arians, Reid, Kelly, these are our best options.
I don't want a retread HC, or a HC with total control.

But IMO, Billick is the best of those that meet that criteria.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:30 PM   #1541
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Who said anything about him being a defensive guru? You just paraphrased what I already said.
Wasn't singleing you or anyone out. Just kind of addressing the general feel of Billick's Baltimore reputation, that's all.

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Does Billick get any credit for assembling a pretty good staff?

Lewis, Ryan, Mike Smith, etc.
That's where the props should go, but even then, how much did Ozzie Newsome help out on that front?


Look, Billick and Cowher both are accomplished coaches, and if either were to coach here, they would certainly be the best coaches we've had since Marty.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:30 PM   #1542
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It amazes me that drafturbators, defenders of the 1st round QB above other statistical outliers, are defending retread SB winning head coaches, which is an even lower statistical outlier.

Billick, Gruden, Cowher? **** all of them. History says they won't win another SB.

Arians, Reid, Kelly, these are our best options.
The reason we are debating it is because it appears we are going to get one of these guys.

You can forget about Arians and Kelly. Neither have NFL head coach or personnel experience.

Overall, I think Reid is the guy I want. Best of the bad.
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1 championship in 15 years.

1 championship in 8 years.

The rest only matters to the folks who enjoy their party in the parking lot.

This board is funny.

Peyton Manning never could win the big one, but lets praise Coach Cowher for making it to the playoffs so many times.
And Jon Gruden won his championship in even less time than that! He's better than both of them! The longevity argument is rather lame.

The fact is Cowher sustained a high winning % throughout his career and always had his teams, despite what QB he had, ready to compete for a Championship. Once in the playoff's anything can happen.
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In fifteen years in Pitt, he won 1 Super Bowl and lost 1. They won 1 and lost 2 after he left. There a constant there and it's not Cowher.

Anyway, I am out.

This is like discussing whether to eat cat shit or dog shit.


I don't care about the 90's, but one thing is for sure, the Steelers have been contenders since 2005, and most of their key pieces are from Cowher.

Ben, Polamalu, Harrison, Ryan Clark, Heath Miller, Lamarr Woodley etc..
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He did.

You seriously need to look at those drafts and re-state your case here because there really was nobody available.

2002: David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, David Gerrard
2003: Carson Palmer (#1 overall), Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman


Palmer was the only guy from those 2 drafts worth trading up for and the Bengals were not going to give up that pick. Palmer was that season's Andrew Luck and the Bengals desperately needed a QB.

So in the 2 year period where they were needing to move up for a QB, they did. And in so doing, they took the guy most believed was the best available option at that spot and gave him a shot.

In fact, you could make a very strong argument that trading up for Boller is what actually ****ed them. Had they gone and gotten a veteran and waited for the 2003 draft, they'd have set themselves up very nicely in a loaded QB draft. But be careful here because that is exactly the kind of thinking that has you taking Manti Te'o and waiting for Teddy Bridgewater in 2014.

Billick's handling of the QB position was pretty damn defensible given the guys actually available.
Another great post.
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