Football how shady or legit is the NFL ? - Page 102

Crying Ramtard · 08-05-2014, 09:57 PM

http://spaces.covers.com/blog/Maximu...or-Profit.html

http://thefixisin.net/nfl.html

I'm not betting my farm on how true this is but it makes a lot of sense to me. The NFL is an entertainment business and can bend a games outcome when they so choose.

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So during a game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the San Diego Chargers the Steelers were favored by 3. Nearly 70 percent of the betting public was on Pittsburgh, with a reported $100 million in potential earnings. The score with less than a minute to go, 11-10 Pittsburgh and SD with the ball. After an errant lateral gets knocked away by Troy Polamalu, he scoops it and scores. The score is now 17-10, there is no time left, all teams head to the locker room, fans go to cash their tickets.

After several minutes of debate, the refs overturn the call, restoring a meaningless TD off the board making the final score 11-10, the Steelers win, the public loses. What I found to be most odd about it is the league's explanation of a "forward pass". The pass was ruled forward although it is obvious it was a backwards lateral. When I got home, I starting thinking that things were just to good to be true.

Sportscenter reported the money lost in Vegas and almost joked about it. They were literally laughing. So after this bad beat, I held around some serious thoughts about the legitimacy of pro football.

An opportunity came up in my graduate school where I was to write my project on any topic I was to choose. So I chose researching the "Showbiz manipulations of the NFL". I picked up several books including Dan Moldea's "Interference: How Organized Crimes Influence Professional Football", Brian Touhy's "The Fix Is In" , Roger L. Martins "Fixing the Game". I checked out several TV Marketing books from the college library and also several TV Business books.

I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:

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Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation.

NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.

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Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of directors for Viacom, the parent company of CBS, one of NFL's broadcasters. This past Spring, Robert Kraft negotiated a record TV deal for the NFL which will result in $24 Billion in revenue with CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC. Kraft and Mara also brought both parties to the table and led all negotiations in ending the lockout.

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Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl one day, but these two gentlemen deserve it". And the Giants posted themselves as victors before the game, the NFL claimed it was "an overzealous employee".

The 49ers need a new stadium, with the same players as Mike Singletary, and a Alex Smith in a contract year, the 49ers post a 13-3 record and make it to the NFC Championship. But what they don't tell you is how the stadium deal is structured. 80% of the funding comes from Bank of America and US Bank. 20% financed by the State of California using tax dollars.

The 49ers have pledged to pay back the State in 5 seasons with help from revenue sharing from NFL owners. What better way to pay someone back quickly than with packed stadiums and extra playoff game revenue.

On MNF they found themselves in a blackout. Steelers safety Ryan Clark said "it was to show the league they need a new stadium and the 49ers caused the blackout". Why would he say this if shadiness wasn't common practice? You can view his opinions here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...off-his-rocker.

Ravens players complained that the 2007 Patriots were " being handed games by refs" in their quest for perfection. And I have over 40 years of information on NFL business dealings and how these owners "miraculously" found themselves holding the Lombardi Trophy.

Let's look at the 2011 season and see how television ratings connected with some of the league's most important games, and quickly view how the referees controlled games.

Week 1: NFL Announces ESPN will pay $1billion per game of MNF through the 2021 season. In a tribute to 9/11 20 million + viewers tuned in as the Jets mounted a magic 14 point comeback over the Cowboys. Number of penalties called the Jets = 0

Week 2: The NFL's rule changes make for a more exciting game as scoring is way up. Much like the AFL days of the 60's, 72% of the games went over the total and TV ratings are now through the roof. The league emphasises "the year of the QB".

Week 3: Packers vs Bears: The Bears return a punt return for a TD which would've ultimately allowed them to cover the spread. Instead a fantom holding call overturned the TD. It was the 10th penalty of the game for the Bears vs. 1 penalty for the Packers. You can see the play here: http://youtu.be/_w-pXfjbYHk

Week 6: The Beginning of the Tim Tebow Era. Tim Tebow has a HUGE, and I mean HUGE Christian following. The guy can't hit a barn, but a decent athlete. Yet as the third string QB he is thrust into the starting role and the team magically "changes the entire offense" in a matter of weeks to suit him? Tebow was the number 1 jersey seller for the league without even stepping foot on the field. It was time to make him a star and they did ripping off several "magical" victories with poultry statistics. These teams were handing them games. If you didn't notice this, all I need to say it two words : Marion Barber. All the while the NFL is forcing religion down our throats with God's quarterback.

Week 7: The Jags are close to a sale, the possible new owners just need one more hint of encouragement to prevent buyers remorse. In come the Ravens. After the Saints destruction of the Colts on SNF. Vegas was in trouble. ESPN was in trouble because no one was going to watch this snore fest. The Ravens didn't get a first down until late in the fourth quarter and the Jags win with 4 FG's. Sale complete, Vegas wins. You lose.

**LoneWolf** · 12-15-2014, 03:31 PM

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Quoted just to piss people off when they have to scroll by it. Neener Neener.

durtyrute · 12-15-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Just hope the league remembers how the Chargers "won" last year week 17...

TEX · 12-15-2014, 04:03 PM

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Did you happen to catch the Seattle / SF game yesterday??? That's HOW IN THE **** THIS IS STILL A THING!

**LoneWolf** · 12-15-2014, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Did you happen to catch the Seattle / SF game yesterday??? That's HOW IN THE **** THIS IS STILL A THING!

Are you referring to the roughing the passer call? You have to realize that there is an emphasis on protecting the QB. At full speed, that play looked like roughing the passer. In slow motion it was obviously a bad call, but the refs didn't have the luxury of slowing the play down. It sucks that calls like that are made, but it's not part of some great conspiracy.

ToxSocks · 12-15-2014, 04:14 PM

Did you guys see that Kelce fumble yesterday?

Oh man, the fix is in! Clearly the NFL needed the Raiders to score 13 instead of 10 and radioed in a Kelce fumble. OH THE HUGEMANATEE.

Good thing that fumble put a bandaid on the score, otherwise it coulda became a blowout and the NFL woulda lost ratings!

CONSPIRACY!

Kelce is one of the Chiefs main conspirators.

Hootie · 12-15-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Did you happen to catch the Seattle / SF game yesterday??? That's HOW IN THE **** THIS IS STILL A THING!

It was a bad call that had no real bearing on the outcome. It's one thing if Seattle was trailing, or if Seattle really had any chance of losing. But they didn't.

Bad calls are going to happen fix or no fix.

mdstu · 12-15-2014, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

..............All you did was see a guy catch a ball and assume its not staged.

I bet you've repeated this sentence at least 20 times in this thread.

I shake my head every time. If I knew you in real life, after the second or third conversation of this sort, I'd probably never talk to you again. It's absurd.

Crying Ramtard · 12-15-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mdstu

I bet you've repeated this sentence at least 20 times in this thread.

I shake my head every time. If I knew you in real life, after the second or third conversation of this sort, I'd probably never talk to you again. It's absurd.

I'm trying to teach you in as basic a way as possible that you don't understand reality or logic. You are in fact relying on seeing something on your tv and believing its un-tampered because its not on tape.

you have no clue what practice and preparation really means in the context of an entertainment business.

mdstu · 12-15-2014, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

I'm trying to teach you in as basic a way as possible that you don't understand reality or logic.

You are failing miserably. Nothing you say is real or logical.

I am open to conspiracy theories. But goddamn nothing you say is swaying me. You sound like a blabbering idiot.

Say something convincing to change my mind. Beside Suggs and Lewis saying "Durrrhrh, The lights went out, dat shitz izz rigd by Gurdel. Derrr."

Crying Ramtard · 12-16-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mdstu

You are failing miserably. Nothing you say is real or logical.

I am open to conspiracy theories. But goddamn nothing you say is swaying me. You sound like a blabbering idiot.

Say something convincing to change my mind. Beside Suggs and Lewis saying "Durrrhrh, The lights went out, dat shitz izz rigd by Gurdel. Derrr."

I never said that

read the entire thread,plenty has been said.

read this

http://thefixisin.net/fantasy.html

and this
http://thefixisin.net/theproof.html

as general starting points to understand why's and wherefores etc.

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You are failing miserably. Nothing you say is real or logical.

absolutely everything I've said is real and logical. You just don't know it yet.
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Hootie · 12-16-2014, 12:02 PM

can one of the mods put this guy on universal ignore?

Sully · 12-16-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

can one of the mods put this guy on universal ignore?

Why the hell?

**Nzoner** · 12-16-2014, 12:05 PM

All I know is that BS TD by the Raiders put the game OVER

Crying Ramtard · 12-16-2014, 12:18 PM

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You have not "pointed out why certain calls are made."
You have "tossed out nutjob theories that go so far against occam's razor that it makes peoples' teeth hurt."

the entire thread is about how/why calls are made.

Occam's razor= you don't even know how to interpret or define that.

Occam's razor was either an invention to sway the public to not even question what the wealthy and powerful do.
IE-sure,go ahead, always believe its the simpler solution so you can be easily deceived and never question anything.

or... the fact is I am the one believing in the simpler solution.

you see a ref throw a flag or make a call you think/know is wrong or questionable or you see a defender never react to the guy catching the ball etc and you ramble on.."well, he was in zone and not responsible for that area or he was tired or looked away or the ref isn't perfect. Sometimes they make mistakes,you could misinterpret because of the angle,the interpretation can be misconstrued, he apologized for making a bad call after the game. it wasn't reviewable in the rules,it was a homer call,the stars get the calls and on and on bla bla bla.

I have the simpler solution because I know simply that a lie is a lie. I don't make excuses for stupid crap happening over and over.

Occam's Razor was taught to the public to dumb them down.

Sully · 12-16-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

the entire thread is about how/why calls are made.

Occam's razor= you don't even know how to interpret or define that.

Occam's razor was either an invention to sway the public to not even question what the wealthy and powerful do.
IE-sure,go ahead, always believe its the simpler solution so you can be easily deceived and never question anything.

or... the fact is I am the one believing in the simpler solution.

you see a ref throw a flag or make a call you think/know is wrong or questionable or you see a defender never react to the guy catching the ball etc and you ramble on.."well, he was in zone and not responsible for that area or he was tired or looked away or the ref isn't perfect. Sometimes they make mistakes,you could misinterpret because of the angle,the interpretation can be misconstrued, he apologized for making a bad call after the game. it wasn't reviewable in the rules,it was a homer call,the stars get the calls and on and on bla bla bla.

I have the simpler solution because I know simply that a lie is a lie. I don't make excuses for stupid crap happening over and over.

Occam's Razor was taught to the public to dumb them down.

So, answer my question. Did you ever play football? And to what level?
Your comment that I have quoted makes that entirely relevant.

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