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Old 01-03-2019, 03:06 PM   #1
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How so? Other than Hudson we lost nobody and were able to sign top guys like Schwartz and Maclin
You do realize that if Bowe doesn't get suspended 1 game for pot we can't void his guaranteed money and cut him in 2015. If that money was still on the books there's no way we can sign Jeremy Maclin. Dorsey was pretty damn lucky to get bailed out of that one.
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Old 01-03-2019, 03:20 PM   #2
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How so? Other than Hudson we lost nobody and were able to sign top guys like Schwartz and Maclin
He left the Chiefs in cap hell. With a better GM they could have given Watkins a bigger contract.
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Old 01-03-2019, 05:06 PM   #3
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So if Andy Reid is making the calls about who we draft then that leaves the GM to contract negotiating duty. Which Dorsey was absolutely ****ing awful at.
In this hypothetical that's a logical line of thought. However Veach has also not exactly been thrifty himself with contracts.
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Old 01-03-2019, 05:08 PM   #4
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In this hypothetical that's a logical line of thought. However Veach has also not exactly been thrifty himself with contracts.
No, he hasn't. Dorsey never learned from his errors. Let's see if Veach will. He's got potential extensions coming up with the likes of Ford, Hill, Jones, and Fuller and another free agency.
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Old 01-03-2019, 05:12 PM   #5
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No, he hasn't. Dorsey never learned from his errors. Let's see if Veach will. He's got potential extensions coming up with the likes of Ford, Hill, Jones, and Fuller and another free agency.
I'm not a Veach hater. I do think some people, not necessarily you, take credit away from Dorsey too easily. Veach doesn't get that microscope and I think it's in part because he is our current gm. Dorsey didn't get this microscope outside of the contracts until he was fired.
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Old 01-03-2019, 05:22 PM   #6
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I'm not a Veach hater. I do think some people, not necessarily you, take credit away from Dorsey too easily. Veach doesn't get that microscope and I think it's in part because he is our current gm. Dorsey didn't get this microscope outside of the contracts until he was fired.
It's still too early to really judge anything that Veach has done aside from his contracts. We can look back now and see how Dorsey did cumulatively over the course of his career here with drafting, free agency, and contract extensions since enough time has passed.
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:45 PM   #7
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Nadi, Speaks, Ward, Smith (as a returner), Watts, have all shown the ability to be starters.

Methinks thou dost protest too much in such a short time frame to judge.
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:50 PM   #8
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Nadi, Speaks, Ward, Smith (as a returner), Watts, have all shown the ability to be starters.

Methinks thou dost protest too much in such a short time frame to judge.
Anytime people shit on Veach and praise Dorsey I always ask them the same question.

“What did Dorsey’s first draft produce on this day in his first year?”
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Old 01-03-2019, 01:01 PM   #9
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Anytime people shit on Veach and praise Dorsey I always ask them the same question.

“What did Dorsey’s first draft produce on this day in his first year?”
The first big contract Dorsey gave out was a 5 year 56 million deal to Dwayne Bowe. Yikes. He made damn good use of the waiver wire and mid tier free agent signings, but even then he was botching the cap.
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:52 PM   #10
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You guys can keep criticizing Dorsey when it comes to drafting but just watch, he is turning the Browns into a top team for years to come with again excellent drafting.

Just take a seat and watch!

That's just what he does.
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Old 01-03-2019, 01:07 PM   #11
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You guys can keep criticizing Dorsey when it comes to drafting but just watch, he is turning the Browns into a top team for years to come with again excellent drafting.

Just take a seat and watch!

That's just what he does.
Cleveland had 4 picks in the first 35 including 2 in the top 5. Anyone on this site could nail a draft with those picks. Are you going to praise Mike Mayock as an amazing GM when he finds excellent talent with 3 first round picks?

The 2008 Chiefs had an amazing draft with Glenn Dorsey, Branden Albert, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, and Brandon Carr. Does that mean Carl Peterson was an excellent GM?

It's not hard to nail a draft with multiple high draft picks.
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Cleveland had 4 picks in the first 35 including 2 in the top 5. Anyone on this site could nail a draft with those picks. Are you going to praise Mike Mayock as an amazing GM when he finds excellent talent with 3 first round picks?

The 2008 Chiefs had an amazing draft with Glenn Dorsey, Branden Albert, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, and Brandon Carr. Does that mean Carl Peterson was an excellent GM?

It's not hard to nail a draft with multiple high draft picks.
Not really the Dorsey picked ended up sucking and Carr was a late pick that turned out great, you get credit for that one.

The 3rd and 5th rounders you listed there were better than the 1's.
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I am still waiting for someone to name one team which drafted better than the Chiefs during Dorsey's tenure.
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