Do you Hope Foles Takes over the QB position ?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Just a question.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

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[rico]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

When Foles had that spectacular year he had a solid O line. When Kelley shipped out players and destroyed the line then foles went to shit. Foles has a touch on his pass like Joe Montana. smith fires a harder to catch ball.

Yeah and sometimes when Smith throws the ball...heck, it can be a 5 yard pass and he will look like he's putting everything he has into it.... He looks like a shot-putter sometimes.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

When Foles had that spectacular year he had a solid O line. When Kelley shipped out players and destroyed the line then foles went to shit. Foles has a touch on his pass like Joe Montana. smith fires a harder to catch ball.

Cassel had a season where he threw 27 TDs and 7 INTs and there are plenty of other examples of crap QBs having good years.

You want to be considered a good QB in this league you have to be consistent and do it year-in and year-out and at least put up OK stats even if the line sucks. Alex has done that here. Foles has not shown the ability to be consistent so far in his career.

And has a touch on his pass ike Joe Montana? Wow... That's a crazy comparison. He's no where near as good as Joe Montana in pretty much any category so please don't compare him to Joe Cool.

Foles has a decent arm and can be pretty damn accurate at times. Lets leave it at that. He's not Joe Montana, never will be.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

There just doesn't need to be such a desire to win discussions. Sandy never responded to my #105 post or answered the questions I posed. Probably due to lack of interest, being busy, or missing it. It happens. Doesn't need to be such a desire to always judge or decide that somebody KO'd someone else.

going to look back on this. I don't avoid responding, unless something is just preposterous.. so I must have missed yours.

also don't recall Rico asking me something that seemed like it was expecting a response.. will minimally look for that too.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth Cheeks

going to look back on this. I don't avoid responding, unless something is just preposterous.. so I must have missed yours.

also don't recall Rico asking me something that seemed like it was expecting a response.. will minimally look for that too.

This has happened before, I think, but I may have you confused with Staylor...I get you and Staylor mixed up sometimes. But definitely happened with you a couple few days ago.

And thanks for the minimal effort, Lizzie!

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by rico

This has happened before, I think, but I may have you confused with Staylor...I get you and Staylor mixed up sometimes. But definitely happened with you a couple few days ago.

Less gay bar - more CP...

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I'm sure we can find plenty of examples of QBs over the last 10 SB's stepping up, maybe even playing above their average play, to win. In the years where Flacco and Eli won, they had a lot of help. Even a lot of luck. But they also made plays in huge moments that maybe they don't always make.

You mean like the big plays that Smith made vs Indy? Imagine if Bowe had actually tapped that second foot in bounds. One lazy inch mistake, and suddenly the entire portrait looks different, right?

There is so much that doesn't get discussed, and simply becomes generic vagueness when this main crux of discussion takes place. I think the reason is either people understandably don't recall all of the specific moments... or maybe they just don't want to take the time to dig (me, mostly).. or they don't want to face their own hypocrisy.

My overall point was meant to be concise.. and remains. It's unfair to demand that Alex carry a broken/flawed team when even the elite QBs barely can, if at all.

Proven, winning formula = Alex + healthy Mac/Houston (insert other key players) = SuperBowl.

Alex has been present, and accounted for in each contest, and still did well enough with what he had. Did they? obviously not.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Nobody is asking Alex to drag the Cleveland Browns to the SB or to do it all himself. He has plenty around him, and even if they get injured, it's what he is going to have to do.

Again, you are demanding that he do what guys like Rodgers isn't even doing. Is anyone else really doing what you are demanding of him?

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I'm not saying I expect Alex to do it all. But the NE game shouldn't be brushed aside as "well we didn't have Maclin or Houston".

Not brushed aside at all. There's a reason that these players are making FAR more money than the rest. They were expected to help their QB to a SB. I'm not blaming them on a personal level.. people can't help it if they get hurt.. but it still ***** the team right in the ass.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Smith needs to step up and pick up a little of the slack in that game, along with others. Do you think he did that? Do you think he can do that? Those are fair questions.

a little of the slack? no Maclin, Houston, a hobbling Hali.. anyone else I am missing?

Smith had about 300 yards (40'sh rush yds) TD, no picks.. 60% 3rd down conversions.. around 3 yds per carry for their feature back, West... no JC, no Ware.. throwing to Avant Wilson, and Conley as WRs.. in NE.

Yes. I think Alex did what he could do with that.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Another fair question, do you think KC would be healthy if they went in to NE this year? With how the year has gone, what are the odds that our Oline is intact? Our backfield? Our secondary? Injuries are going to happen. If this team wants to win or at least get to a SB, it will need to overcome injuries against a very good team at some point. Can't keep saying "well we might have won that playoff game if we didn't have injuries". A QB is as important as any other in overcoming them.

The crux of my point is this. IMO Smith will need to step up and make some big plays he typically doesn't if they are going to win in NE, or an AFCCG, or a SB. Odds are we are not going to be fully healthy in the playoffs. Whether it is fair or not really isn't the question. I think he is going to have to. So the question is, can he?

I think I have covered everything to the point where anything unanswered can easily be done so with conclusions from the above.

I close in repeating this much...

you are demanding that he do what guys like Rodgers isn't even doing. Is anyone else really doing what you are demanding of him?

and

My overall point was meant to be concise.. and remains. It's unfair to demand that Alex carry a broken/flawed team when even the elite QBs barely can, if at all.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rico

Dude, I seriously was going to post something about this very thing when I got home from work (I just got off 15 minutes ago). I have little notes jotted down on a "HOLD" card.

When it comes to their first 4 seasons that they played in (Alex was injured all year his 3rd or 4th season), Foles has Smith beaten by a landslide...and some of the Alex-lovers give him absolutely no credit for that. And the common Alexcuse for his terrible start is the large amount of Offensive Coordinators he had in those years...well, Foles is in his 5th season and has already had 5 Offensive Coordinators. Foles's infamous season where he went off (2013, 27 TD's, 2 INT's in like, 12 games) wasn't just a good season...it was historically good...with a historical game where he threw 7 TD's in one game. I watched that game...I watched a lot of his rookie and 2013 seasons and he looked really good in those seasons. I don't know what happened at St. Louis, but I do know when he played for the Eagles, he had moments where he absolutely looked the part of a potentially elite QB. Hell, he looked great when he played in college. I watched the Iowa vs. Arizona game in 2010 and he out-dueled the shit out of Ricky Stanzi...that's why I watched what he did in the NFL. And I always hear the Alexcuse that Alex had the injury early in his career where he was put on injured reserve...Well, Foles has been on injured reserve as well...broke his hand as a rookie.

Foles's first 4 seasons in the NFL:

2012: 6 TD's, 5 INT's
2013: 27 TD's, 2 INT's
2014: 13 TD', 10 INT's
2015: 7 TD's, 10 INT's

Total: 53 TD's, 27 INT's.

* Plus 5 rushing TD's.

Alex's first 4 seasons in the NFL:

2005: 1 TD, 11 INT's
2006: 16 TD's, 16 INT's
2007: 2 TD's, 4 INT's
2008: Did not play...
2009: 18 TD's, 12 INT's

Total: 37 TD's, 43 INT's

* Plus 2 rushing TD's.



The potential for Foles to do well is freaking there...and Alexuals need to keep Alex's first 4 seasons in mind when they are critiquing Foles so harshly. He could very well pick up steam and start rolling again.


I would rather us draft a QB, but I will say this.... I have a better feeling about our past experiences with Ramtread QB's than I do 49er retread QB's.

But the early Alex Smith is not playing this season. The current Alex Smith is. They play the game with the QB they have now. I believe Alex Smith can take us farther this year than Foles. We can worry about next year when we get there.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by splatbass

They play the game with the QB they have now. I believe Alex Smith can take us farther this year than Foles. We can worry about next year when we get there.

I don't care about numbers - I care about how effective a QB is.

If Foles balls out I'd expect a longer recovery time for Smith...

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rico

Probably not good because in the words of the great Mike Singletary:

Singletary was a great player, but possibly the worst HC in the history of football. What does a linebacker know about QBs? Not a damn thing as it turned out.

[Chiefshrink]

I like both guys. Smith protects the ball better but is not a come from behind QB(a la playmaker when you need it.) Foles has a bigger arm with bigger NADS to thread the ball down field and actually make plays and can play from behind but does not protect the ball quite as good as Smith.

To win championships you need 'playmaking BIG NADS' !!!

[Mr. Laz]

I want to trade a ****ing QB for some tasty draft picks.


Don't care who we trade, i hope Smith and Foles just tear shit up and get us a draft pick.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

This. We have a small sample, but it was so nice to see a QB that actually stayed in the pocket and let the play develop. It was even sweeter to see one that led the receivers. It could all be over today, but I sure hope not.

Ok, bring Alex back please.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Ok, bring Alex back please.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I think the reason is either people understandably don't recall all of the specific moments... or maybe they just don't want to take the time to dig (me, mostly).. or they don't want to face their own hypocrisy.

My overall point was meant to be concise.. and remains. It's unfair to demand that Alex carry a broken/flawed team when even the elite QBs barely can, if at all.

Haha no. No, I do remember. I also don't think I am demanding. I am just stating that he likely will have to do those things. In fact, I even said it may not be fair, just necessary. If you have to put words in my mouth, so be it. He doesn't need to carry the team, just play better than he did in NE. Andy also needs to be a much better game manager in that game.

You can also keep referencing the times Rogers hasn't carried his team as evidence that QB's never do but that seems a little outrageous. I even cited a few QBs well bellow Rodgers level.

Do you think injuries are not going to happen in the playoffs? I guess you are saying you think Smith did enough against NE. I don't think he did. The IND game has always been something I have always referenced as encouraging, but the NE game still makes me wonder what he will do against the real good teams. It would be great if KC is healthy for a month of playoffs. Not gonna happen though. Players, especially the QB, are going to have to step up and play at a higher level.