Chiefs Mellinger article on Hill - Page 10

**jjchieffan** · 10-24-2016, 10:55 AM

DJ''s left nut, TTC, and Clay, you may want to avoid this thread. It may get your panties in a wad.

Five seconds on a perfect afternoon is all you need to see to know why. It's why the men in charge of the Chiefs put their own credibility on the line for an admitted domestic abuser. It's why they were willing to drag the franchise through another messy argument, at least temporarily turning much of what they say they stand for into laughable propaganda.

This is a column about football, not morals. But this is also a column about Tyreek Hill, which means the line is blurry. Tyreek Hill made the most exciting, most breathtaking play in the Chiefs' 27-21 win over the Saints on Sunday.

That sentence will make Chiefs fans feel, something. Maybe all you care about is the touchdown. Maybe you will never forgive Hill for his monstrous act two years ago, or the Chiefs for bringing him to Kansas City.

Maybe you're like me, and go sad and sick whenever you think about what he did, and are disappointed the franchise of Jovan Belcher drafted Hill, but think the blame should be less on a football team and more on a justice system shamefully light on sentencing for convicted abusers of women.

No matter where you are on that issue, this column is not intended to change your mind.

This is about why the Chiefs took that risk in the fifth round of the draft back in May, why they've made sure Hill attends his court-mandated counseling, and why they thought the muck would be worth it.

It’s because of these five seconds.

"He's still a rookie, but he's off to the right start," veteran receiver Jeremy Maclin said.

First and 10 at the Saints' 38, and this is a perfect time to throw deep. If it goes incomplete, you have two more downs, and you're already on the edge of field goal range. Coach Andy Reid and quarterback Alex Smith are famously reluctant to go downfield. You know that, they know that, the other team knows that.

So it's doubly important for them to take those shots, to at least show they can, because otherwise they're throwing tunnel screens against 11 men close to the line of scrimmage.

Hill is freakishly fast — 4.24 seconds in the 40 at his pro day — and could be the Chiefs' best deep threat since, what, J.J. Birden?

"He opens everything up for all of the rest of us," Maclin says.

So, about those five seconds. Smith sees the read he wants — single coverage on Hill, with no safety over the top. He takes a short drop back and makes a trust throw high and long, believing that his guy will win the play. When Smith throws, Saints cornerback Ken Crawley is three or four yards closer to the ball's landing spot than Hill.

"Alex just told me to run as fast as I can," Hill said.

At the 14, the ball still in the air, Crawley is still a yard or two ahead of Hill. From that moment to the goal line, Hill takes seven steps. He runs past Crawley around the 10. By the six, Hill is a step behind the corner. Crawley knows it, too. He starts tugging and shoving at Hill around the five.

Hill is small — 5-foot-10 and 185 pounds, the third-smallest man on the roster — but he is also strong. Crawley's hands aren't effective. Receivers coach David Culley has talked about this moment all week, telling his guys they will have to fight downfield against a physical group of defensive backs.

Hill shakes off the coverage, plants his left foot at the 1, and leaps into the end zone. Smith's pass is perfectly placed, and in midair, Hill makes a one-handed basket catch with his left hand, rolling onto the ground with the touchdown.

There is nobody else on the roster who could've made this play. Nobody on any Chiefs roster in recent history could've made this play.

Maybe the Chiefs could've scored on this drive anyway. The Saints' defense stinks. But this was the Chiefs' one big play that was more about a singular talent than preparation or scheme, and the Chiefs won by six.

The front office did not take this kind of risk for a singles hitter.

"We're asking him to do a lot of different things," Reid said. "He's a sharp kid. So we've been able to give him maybe a little bit more than I thought as a rookie that you'd probably be able to do, but he's handled it."

Funny moment after the game. Someone asked Hill about Smith, and to be fair, Smith has played very well two games in a row — 36 for 46 for 438 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in two wins.

Tyreek Hill says extra work with Alex Smith paid off
Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill said extra work with quarterback Alex Smith paid off with a touchdown reception Sunday against the New Orleans Saints.
Blair Kerkhoff The Kansas City Star
But, then, well, Hill said something of Smith that no serious person has said about Smith since, well, ever.

"He could be a future Hall of Famer, who knows?"

Well, Smith knows. Smith's family knows. His coaches know. You know. I know. But that's not the point. This is where Hill is at the moment, and it's who he's been with the Chiefs. He is eager. He is earnest. He calls everyone sir. Compliments his coaches constantly. Talks more about his mistakes than his successes, and more about his weaknesses than strengths.

He spent training camp driving an enormous old clunker, literally getting around in what his coaches saw as a symbol of humility.

Hill still has much to clean up. He made a mistake with the Chiefs leading late in the fourth quarter, going out of bounds on an end-around, stopping the clock. His teammates say his route running is more advanced than he's shown in games, but so far he's been limited mostly to screens and go routes.

DEFENSE STEPS UP, CHIEFS HOLD ON FOR 27-21 WIN OVER SAINTS

The rest of it may or may not come, of course. He's still young. His ultimate success or failure will be digested by many fans and media as a statement of his character. That will be misguided. It will only be a statement of his ability to play in the NFL. We don't know how any of that will work out.

All we know now is that he's doing the right things, and showing enough to see why the Chiefs took on this significant risk in the first place.

"I feel pretty good," he said. "I'm laughing, each and every day. I'm having fun with these guys. The guys are starting to trust me, and I'm starting to trust them. Once you get that down, you're comfortable."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-24-2016, 08:14 PM

What's with all the self righteous people who think they have never made mistakes, cheated on something, and are in contention for the nobel peace prize on CP lately?

Dude served his punishment. For a young black kid with likely poor mentorship as a child, I'm happy he has the Chiefs locker room and Andy Reid to continue on a path to be a productive citizen. It's exactly what other countries brag over the united states, that their justice system actually takes criminals and turns them into good human beings who contribute to society rather than staying in a perpetuating life of crime and costing the taxpayers a fortune of money.

Don't like Reek? Don't watch.

**jjchieffan** · 10-24-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

No, you're just ****ing dumb. You're using your posts to somewhat excuse what he did because "people get mad"

Yeah people get mad and do stupid things. Even with that, people tend to have common sense and stop before doing things like strike a pregnant woman. I mean it's like shit, common sense.

Jump off a ****ing cliff and **** off with your mental gymnastics bullshit.

Let me make this clear to your dumb, illiterate,, self righteous ass. I in NO WAY excuse what he did. It was inexcusable. However. Everything that I have read about him indicates that he was a good kid with no prior history of any kind of crimes or violence, nor has he had any incidents since. He made a terrible mistake one time in his life. He admitted that he was in the wrong. He took his lumps, and he is going to counseling and making sure that nothing like that ever happens again. I have no problem with him getting the opportunity to play in the NFL. It's in his past, and I have no right to judge him for his mistake. Neither do you. To do so is self righteous, and I'm sure in some cases, hypocritical to do so.

splatbass · 10-24-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

I agree. That is the best he can do. It's just the way he is but in year 4 of the same coaches and system it's pretty sad we can't put up more points. We have the players to do it but Smith is not the guy to take advantage.

I really hope they move on next season.

I know this is too complicated for you to understand, but Reid's play calling gets very conservative when they have a lead. Those stats reflect that fact. It isn't Alex Smith making that decision, he is just carrying it out - and pretty well too.

BryanBusby · 10-24-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Let me make this clear to your dumb, illiterate,, self righteous ass. I in NO WAY excuse what he did. It was inexcusable. However. Everything that I have read about him indicates that he was a good kid with no prior history of any kind of crimes or violence, nor has he had any incidents since. He made a terrible mistake one time in his life. He admitted that he was in the wrong. He took his lumps, and he is going to counseling and making sure that nothing like that ever happens again. I have no problem with him getting the opportunity to play in the NFL. It's in his past, and I have no right to judge him for his mistake. Neither do you. To do so is self righteous, and I'm sure in some cases, hypocritical to do so.

But you were making excuses. Sorry you're dumb beyond saving.

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I guess you're the perfect human being. You've never lost your temper and done something that you regretted later. And if you have, then I guess that you expected people who don't know you or anything about you to hold that over your head and call you human trash for the rest of your life. I know that I've lost my temper. I've done things that I can't take bac. But I'm sure glad that those mistakes are a part of my past and will never be brought up again.

This post right here is making an excuse for Tyreek. Shut the **** up.

**jjchieffan** · 10-24-2016, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

But you were making excuses. Sorry you're dumb beyond saving.

No I did not make an excuse. I said that he made a mistake, just like many other people have, and that it should not be held over his head forever by self righteous jerks who have no business judging him. That is not making an excuse. I have never once said anything excusing what he did.

**Iowanian** · 10-24-2016, 08:21 PM

Nice guys haven't provided me any championships to cheer.

Hills son, and formerly neck grabbed girlfriend are both better of if he is s earning good coin.

BryanBusby · 10-24-2016, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

No I did not make an excuse. I said that he made a mistake, just like many other people have, and that it should not be held over his head forever by self righteous jerks who have no business judging him. That is not making an excuse. I have never once said anything excusing what he did.

No, it shouldn't be held over his head forever.

But, you shouldn't write posts that other people get mad too and do dumb things. Do you get mad enough to commit Domestic Abuse? You're trying to compare apples to oranges and wrap a common Joe in with a Domestic Abuser. I mean really, come on man.

jspchief · 10-24-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

For the detractors, can you at least indicate if there's a time table on this.

5 years from now, will we still be getting anger and bitterness with each and every reception he makes?

I will say as time passes, it becomes easier to forgive. 5 years from now, I suppose I might be past it assuming he's stayed straight. Maybe not. My feelings and emotions don't really operate on a set schedule. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people that have received 2 years of jail or probation for similar acts, so it's definitely too early for me to assume he's A-OK or is a reasonable person to celebrate.

This really isn't that hard to understand. People all over this country are getting passed over for jobs or socially ostracized for similar or lesser things. I don't want to have a few beers with a woman beater, or work along side one and I sure as **** don't want one scoring TDs for the team I cheer for.

**DaFace** · 10-24-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I will say as time passes, it becomes easier to forgive. 5 years from now, I suppose I might be past it assuming he's stayed straight. Maybe not. My feelings and emotions don't really operate on a set schedule. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people that have received 2 years of jail or probation for similar acts, so it's definitely too early for me to assume he's A-OK or is a reasonable person to celebrate.

This really isn't that hard to understand. People all over this country are getting passed over for jobs or socially ostracized for similar or lesser things. I don't want to have a few beers with a woman beater, or work along side one and I sure as **** don't want one scoring TDs for the team I cheer for.

He's not even a felon, so he wouldn't even have to disclose it on a job application.

**Baby Lee** · 10-24-2016, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

My feelings and emotions don't really operate on a set schedule.

Not trying to dictate your emotional response. Just trying to get a handle on how long people anticipate being publically vocal with all of us in response to their emotions.

splatbass · 10-24-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Man does that make Smiths pathetic td numbers look even worse. I didn't think that was possible.

I don't know how you are on other subjects, but when it comes to football you are the most ignorant person here.

jspchief · 10-24-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

He's not even a felon, so he wouldn't even have to disclose it on a job application.

This isn't true at all.

ChiefsCountry · 10-24-2016, 08:41 PM

If Denver or the Raiders (actually the Raiders won't, Mark Davis is against domestic violence big time) had drafted a player with domestic violence the same group would be all over them for it. All because he has an arrowhead on his helmet, then he is perfect and we must look the other way. Beating a woman isn't a little mistake or I got mad. It's not like some dumbass smoking weed or even getting into a bar fight with another dude. I don't care if we don't have an entire team of choir boys, of course the team across the street won a championship with a team of high character players, but then again they are a much better organization than the Chiefs will ever be.

**DaFace** · 10-24-2016, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

This isn't true at all.

What's not true about it?

jspchief · 10-24-2016, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

What's not true about it?

That you only have to disclose felons.

10-24-2016, 10:55 AM
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3152247	Mellinger article on Hill DJ''s left nut, TTC, and Clay, you may want to avoid this thread. It may get your panties in a wad. Five seconds on a perfect afternoon is all you need to see to know why. It's why the men in charge of the Chiefs put their own credibility on the line for an admitted domestic abuser. It's why they were willing to drag the franchise through another messy argument, at least temporarily turning much of what they say they stand for into laughable propaganda. This is a column about football, not morals. But this is also a column about Tyreek Hill, which means the line is blurry. Tyreek Hill made the most exciting, most breathtaking play in the Chiefs' 27-21 win over the Saints on Sunday. That sentence will make Chiefs fans feel, something. Maybe all you care about is the touchdown. Maybe you will never forgive Hill for his monstrous act two years ago, or the Chiefs for bringing him to Kansas City. Maybe you're like me, and go sad and sick whenever you think about what he did, and are disappointed the franchise of Jovan Belcher drafted Hill, but think the blame should be less on a football team and more on a justice system shamefully light on sentencing for convicted abusers of women. No matter where you are on that issue, this column is not intended to change your mind. This is about why the Chiefs took that risk in the fifth round of the draft back in May, why they've made sure Hill attends his court-mandated counseling, and why they thought the muck would be worth it. It’s because of these five seconds. "He's still a rookie, but he's off to the right start," veteran receiver Jeremy Maclin said. First and 10 at the Saints' 38, and this is a perfect time to throw deep. If it goes incomplete, you have two more downs, and you're already on the edge of field goal range. Coach Andy Reid and quarterback Alex Smith are famously reluctant to go downfield. You know that, they know that, the other team knows that. So it's doubly important for them to take those shots, to at least show they can, because otherwise they're throwing tunnel screens against 11 men close to the line of scrimmage. Hill is freakishly fast — 4.24 seconds in the 40 at his pro day — and could be the Chiefs' best deep threat since, what, J.J. Birden? "He opens everything up for all of the rest of us," Maclin says. So, about those five seconds. Smith sees the read he wants — single coverage on Hill, with no safety over the top. He takes a short drop back and makes a trust throw high and long, believing that his guy will win the play. When Smith throws, Saints cornerback Ken Crawley is three or four yards closer to the ball's landing spot than Hill. "Alex just told me to run as fast as I can," Hill said. At the 14, the ball still in the air, Crawley is still a yard or two ahead of Hill. From that moment to the goal line, Hill takes seven steps. He runs past Crawley around the 10. By the six, Hill is a step behind the corner. Crawley knows it, too. He starts tugging and shoving at Hill around the five. Hill is small — 5-foot-10 and 185 pounds, the third-smallest man on the roster — but he is also strong. Crawley's hands aren't effective. Receivers coach David Culley has talked about this moment all week, telling his guys they will have to fight downfield against a physical group of defensive backs. Hill shakes off the coverage, plants his left foot at the 1, and leaps into the end zone. Smith's pass is perfectly placed, and in midair, Hill makes a one-handed basket catch with his left hand, rolling onto the ground with the touchdown. There is nobody else on the roster who could've made this play. Nobody on any Chiefs roster in recent history could've made this play. Maybe the Chiefs could've scored on this drive anyway. The Saints' defense stinks. But this was the Chiefs' one big play that was more about a singular talent than preparation or scheme, and the Chiefs won by six. The front office did not take this kind of risk for a singles hitter. "We're asking him to do a lot of different things," Reid said. "He's a sharp kid. So we've been able to give him maybe a little bit more than I thought as a rookie that you'd probably be able to do, but he's handled it." Funny moment after the game. Someone asked Hill about Smith, and to be fair, Smith has played very well two games in a row — 36 for 46 for 438 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in two wins. Tyreek Hill says extra work with Alex Smith paid off Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill said extra work with quarterback Alex Smith paid off with a touchdown reception Sunday against the New Orleans Saints. Blair Kerkhoff The Kansas City Star But, then, well, Hill said something of Smith that no serious person has said about Smith since, well, ever. "He could be a future Hall of Famer, who knows?" Well, Smith knows. Smith's family knows. His coaches know. You know. I know. But that's not the point. This is where Hill is at the moment, and it's who he's been with the Chiefs. He is eager. He is earnest. He calls everyone sir. Compliments his coaches constantly. Talks more about his mistakes than his successes, and more about his weaknesses than strengths. He spent training camp driving an enormous old clunker, literally getting around in what his coaches saw as a symbol of humility. Hill still has much to clean up. He made a mistake with the Chiefs leading late in the fourth quarter, going out of bounds on an end-around, stopping the clock. His teammates say his route running is more advanced than he's shown in games, but so far he's been limited mostly to screens and go routes. DEFENSE STEPS UP, CHIEFS HOLD ON FOR 27-21 WIN OVER SAINTS The rest of it may or may not come, of course. He's still young. His ultimate success or failure will be digested by many fans and media as a statement of his character. That will be misguided. It will only be a statement of his ability to play in the NFL. We don't know how any of that will work out. All we know now is that he's doing the right things, and showing enough to see why the Chiefs took on this significant risk in the first place. "I feel pretty good," he said. "I'm laughing, each and every day. I'm having fun with these guys. The guys are starting to trust me, and I'm starting to trust them. Once you get that down, you're comfortable." Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $1998752	If Denver or the Raiders (actually the Raiders won't, Mark Davis is against domestic violence big time) had drafted a player with domestic violence the same group would be all over them for it. All because he has an arrowhead on his helmet, then he is perfect and we must look the other way. Beating a woman isn't a little mistake or I got mad. It's not like some dumbass smoking weed or even getting into a bar fight with another dude. I don't care if we don't have an entire team of choir boys, of course the team across the street won a championship with a team of high character players, but then again they are a much better organization than the Chiefs will ever be.
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