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Old 05-19-2015, 02:32 AM  
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KC Chiefs Drafting Alex Smith's replacement "soon" ?

I swear to god this guy is an idiot

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Kansas City Chiefs RUMORS: Reid Likely Drafting Alex Smith's Replacement Soon?


Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith may never be the most physically gifted player on an NFL field, but he's got enough grit, moxie and veteran savvy to produce enough points to keep the Chiefs in the game on pretty much any given Sunday.


While Smith has enjoyed something of a career resurgence under Chiefs head coach Andy Reid, the successes the two men have enjoyed together may actually serve to shorten Smith's tenure in the end.

"Expectations have risen since Smith and Kansas City had a huge turnaround to reach the postseason in 2013, Reid's first season there, and Smith's big contract mandates he'll be around for a few more years," writes Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports. "But watching back-up Chase Daniel scampering around and making big plays in a Week 17 win over San Diego, one that eliminated the Chargers from the playoffs, had my wheels turning at least a bit and I wouldn't be shocked to see this franchise looking at quarterbacks in the higher rounds a year from now."

The 31-year-old Smith is entering the second year of a four-year, $68 million contract extension. His dead cap hit for next season is $40.4 million and $24.9 million in 2016, meaning Smith will remain with the team for at least the next two years.

Beyond that, his cap hits for the final two years of the deal are $16.9 million and $20.6 million, but cutting him would cause the Chiefs to incur dead cap penalties of just $7.2 million in 2017 and $3.6 million in 2018.
In 2014, his second season in Kansas City, Smith threw for 3,265 yards on 303 completions for 18 touchdowns, six interceptions and a 93.4 quarterback rating.

Smith is dependable and smart and if the Chiefs boast a strong enough running game with Jamaal Charles, De'Anthony Thomas and Knile Davis, he can certainly manage Kansas City into the playoffs.

Winning a postseason game seems a questionable proposition though, for a quarterback who struggles to push the ball downfield and managed to go all of 2014 without connecting with a single one of his wide receivers for a touchdown.

With the addition of Jeremy Maclin in free agency and the drafting of Chris Conley - and when considering simple percentages - it's highly unlikely Smith will manage to let another full NFL season pass without tossing a touchdown to a wideout.

Still, Smith is and will always be limited as a signal-caller - even if he brings the Chiefs to the postseason again after just missing out in 2014, if he and Reid are unable to bring fans in Kansas City a playoff victory, consistently strong regular season efforts are going to start seeming hollow and altogether empty.

This isn't to suggest that Smith and the Chiefs can't make their way into the postseason and emerge victorious from a contest or two, but this is a quarterback and offense driven NFL and Smith simply will never be able to contend with the league's elite like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck.

It may not be a first-round pick and it likely won't come next season, but Reid and the Chiefs will be forced to look for another long-term answer at quarterback at some point because Smith, as strong as he's been since joining Kansas City, is not a Super Bowl-winning signal-caller and Daniels, despite the strong showing to end last season, doesn't seem to be the answer either.
So it wont be in the 2016 draft but it will happen soon you guys!!!
Just have some patience....LOL


YAY?
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:13 AM   #136
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I'm not acting like he's the first person to say that. It's a combination of saying that and then saying that he's smarter than 90% of the board.
You're so desperately trying to spin my words around to make them sound more egotistical than intended even after I clarified. Is it not true that most of the people that bitch and complain about every little draft pick/trade/FA signing on this board don't even watch any form of "tape" and just like to complain and spread their negativity, when they clearly don't even have much information to base it on or back it up?

I once asked milkman about a prospect and he replied "I don't comment on players I've never watched."

"I know that I'm intelligent because I know that I know nothing." Sometimes people need to be called out for not knowing their shit and commenting on a subject in which they have absolutely no knowledge or true perspective of. One guy called Gruden a defensive minded coach and the other admitted to never even watching Murray's college tape which proved my point. I'm sorry.

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Old 05-20-2015, 11:19 AM   #137
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The Tony Dungy who never once developed a QB and the Jon Gruden who had to be handed 58 year old QBs because he was like Larry Brown with point guards?

Yeah, good point.
If all you got out of that is that Dungy is the guy that sold me then you've clearly mistaken my
point. I'm just pointing out that while he was only a 5th round pick their are plenty of guys in NFL circles that see what I felt I saw while watching him at Georgia. He's not Croyle/Bray/Thigpen/Printers. He has a legit shot at becoming our QBOTF.
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:24 AM   #138
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If all you got out of that is that Dungy is the guy that sold me then you've clearly mistaken my
point. I'm just pointing out that while he was only a 5th round pick their are plenty of guys in NFL circles that see what I felt I saw while watching him at Georgia. He's not Croyle/Bray/Thigpen/Printers. He has a legit shot at becoming our QBOTF.
No, he doesn't. He's undersized and he was always a marginal physical talent. If you're going to brag about the opinions of people in the NFL, you might first want to consider their track records. Neither Tony Dungy nor Jon Gruden know anything about developing QBs, or offenses at all for that matter.

Someone in "NFL circles" once felt that Tyson Jackson was the best pick at #3 overall. Someone in "NFL circles" once felt Eric Fisher was the best player in the entire ****ing draft.

When you appeal to an authority that is entirely discredited, not only is your argument fallacious, but it's flat out ****ing stupid.
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:27 AM   #139
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No, he doesn't. He's undersized and he was always a marginal physical talent. If you're going to brag about the opinions of people in the NFL, you might first want to consider their track records. Neither Tony Dungy nor Jon Gruden know anything about developing QBs, or offenses at all for that matter.

Someone in "NFL circles" once felt that Tyson Jackson was the best pick at #3 overall. Someone in "NFL circles" once felt Eric Fisher was the best player in the entire ****ing draft.

When you appeal to an authority that is entirely discredited, not only is your argument fallacious, but it's flat out ****ing stupid.
Once again missing the ****ing point. I don't care what Gruden and Dungy think I came to this conclusion myself after watching Murray and I only used them as examples of people who would agree. As was pointed out in the thread Brees and Wilson, two guys who he compares favorably to AS PROSPECTS, also had the same weaknesses.

BTW what ****ing QB's have you developed?

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Old 05-20-2015, 11:28 AM   #140
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People need to stop acting like staylor is the first person here to call DVR'ed TV games "game tape".

Heh.

I'm a huge fan of said statements. Gives me a good chuckle every time.
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:29 AM   #141
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Once again missing the ****ing point. I don't care what Gruden and Dungy think I came to this conclusion myself after watching Murray and I only used them as examples of people who would agree. As was pointed out in the thread Brees and Wilson, two guys who he compares favorably to AS PROSPECTS also had the same weaknesses.
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:30 AM   #142
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Once again missing the ****ing point. I don't care what Gruden and Dungy think I came to this conclusion myself after watching Murray and I only used them as examples of people who would agree. As was pointed out in the thread Brees and Wilson, two guys who he compares favorably to AS PROSPECTS, also had the same weaknesses.
5-13 against ranked opponents at Georgia with only one bowl game win.

He's a backup.
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Once again missing the ****ing point. I don't care what Gruden and Dungy think I came to this conclusion myself after watching Murray and I only used them as examples of people who would agree. As was pointed out in the thread Brees and Wilson, two guys who he compares favorably to AS PROSPECTS, also had the same weaknesses.
If you didn't care what they think you wouldn't have used them as supporting evidence of your evaluation of Murray. You're full of shit.
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5-13 against ranked opponents at Georgia with only one bowl game win.

He's a backup.
Mark Richt.
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The question isn't when they'll draft Smith's replacement but IF they'll bother doing it.
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If you didn't care what they think you wouldn't have used them as supporting evidence of your evaluation of Murray. You're full of shit.
Almost every one uses supporting opinions, even if we often times think the person/people are idiots.

It's human nature.
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This guy reminds me of Claynus and the rest of the draft tabulators around here who commonly sell us on guys destined for the CP Draftee Hall of Fame like vernon gholston, mark sanchez, jimmy claussen, etc., based on their armchair QB evaluation and 'breaking down game film' on youtube
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In regards to the OP: if the team is faced with taking a middle linebacker, safety, nose tackle or quarterback in any of the first three rounds, they're taking the defensive player.

The Dorsey regime has to be "all-in" to win with Alex Smith from here on out. Taking a QB in the first 95 picks is counter productive to going "all-in".
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Murray would have to have elite anticipation and really good accuracy to be the qbotf. His arm is just ok, and ok arms don't get by without the former.
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People here are so incredibly misinformed when it comes to QB's. How many top 10 QB's have been drafted since the 2004 trio of elite QB prospects?

23 first Rd QB's have been drafted since 2005 (not counting 2014 class bc it's too early to tell from one season).

Only the following QB's of those 23 are top 10 currently.

Rodgers
Flacco
Luck

And then you have Ryan, Cam, Stafford and Tannehill who are probably not a top 10 QB, but just outside at the 11-15 range. And none of them have really accomplished anything in the NFL so far.

Luck and Rodgers weresheer luck to get a guy who nobody thought was good and luck to get the number 1 pick when the guy declared.
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