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Old 03-24-2015, 04:08 PM  
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Broke apart in mid-air Germanwings
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:00 PM   #136
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that too, if there was any kind of struggle, the voice recorder would have heard it.
Wasn't aware of this. Anyway I was just tossing around stuff. Now there are reports the co-pilot may have been suffering from depression.
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:13 PM   #137
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Ninja's? I hadn't thought about that. Something to consider.........
Heck, they can't even keep quiet during a movie. . . .

Oh, sorry. Thought you were houstonwhodat.
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:14 PM   #138
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Heck, they can't even keep quiet during a movie. . . .

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Old 03-26-2015, 12:23 PM   #139
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Do we know the breathing they hear is the co-pilot. Maybe Pilot was lax with rules and left the door ajar a bit. A passenger up to no good slips in lock it behind forces copilot to put it in decent. Then offs copilot and takes over for finale crash.

Hot sturdy are these doors? I know they were fortified after 911 but how much force could it withstand. Seems with 150 passenger in desperate fight for there life some could have teamed up with pilot to ram it open. Seems very planed to me.
Those doors cost around 40k and are bulletproof (small caliber). I do not think you have a chance to get in there...
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:28 PM   #140
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If they could hear the pounding on the door, they would hear someone coming in and killing the co-pilot. Unless it was a Ninja. Which is unlikely.
Sky Ninjas?

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Old 03-26-2015, 12:45 PM   #142
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I can see a gradual decent into a mountain. Cruising altitude of 32k-ish and a 12K mountain. You don't need to nosedive, the mountain takes care of nose-first impact.
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:46 PM   #143
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Some weird shit going on with airliners these days.
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:50 PM   #144
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I can see a gradual decent into a mountain. Cruising altitude of 32k-ish and a 12K mountain. You don't need to nosedive, the mountain takes care of nose-first impact.
The slow decent was done because the Airbus software would stop a full on nose dive from taking place or that is what I have gathered from all the shit I've read. Those with more knowledge, is this true?
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:55 PM   #145
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The slow decent was done because the Airbus software would stop a full on nose dive from taking place or that is what I have gathered from all the shit I've read. Those with more knowledge, is this true?
Pretty much...this is taken from another forum I'm on..

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For an unknown reason the pilot decides to leave the cockpit, which leaves the first officer Lubitz alone and in charge of the aircraft. When the pilot later comes back he finds out that the door doesn't open. He obviously tried to contact the co-pilot, but doesn't get any answer. He also tries to dial in the security code which would open the door after 30 second only if none of the cockpit crew answers the call and declines the opening of the door. Unfortunately Lubitz did decline the opening.

The pilot doesn't manage to get inside the cockpit again, and Lubitz manually changes the auto pilots altitude setting from 38,000 feet to 96 feet. This is why the descend seemed controlled, as it was the airplane itself that was changing the altitude. Though the airplane descended about twice as fast as an A320 usually does, so at this point it would've been blindingly obvious that something was wrong.

Lubitz couldn't have just pulled the lever and dived nose first into the ground, since modern airplanes (a category which the A320 is both included and is being one of the leading models of aircraft in) have a security system called Flight Envelope Protection. This system basically makes sure that no human errors with the stick could cause an crash, and every move a pilot does have to be approved by the computer before it acts out to a hundred percents (i.e. if the computer finds the plane in a stalling speed or diving too steep it would correct it immediately). This computer is there to make sure that changes in pressure and even the death/illness of both pilots would not make the airplane dive nose first into the ground at the speed of sound.

The crew would probably have tried to batter their way through the door, though it is made in titanium after 9/11 and is supposed to withstand tremendous force. One of the high jacked planes that were on its way to DC crashed into the ground after passengers of the flight rammed a food wagon through the locked cockpit door, which I doubt anyone want to experience if it was terrorists trying to conquer the cockpit using the same methods.

So in other words, once Lubitz had his mind set on destroying the aircraft there is really nothing that could've been done to stop it from happening. Kind of terrifying thought in a situation like this, but I would rather trust my life with two (mostly) competent pilots than people who might snap outside the cockpit and try to breach in, which is why some kind of override from the outside would be a very bad idea.
Finger prints can be used by force and codes can be acquired by the use of force, which in the end makes such security measures a security flaw.

Luckly aircraft security is always in development, and there is systems which is being developed and tested that would allow the tower to basically "cut off" the cockpit from the aircraft and take full control of the vehicle and land it safely from the ground or tell it to land itself at a desired location.
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Thing about a plane crash is that it's 99.9% death rate.
So you're sayin' there's a chance....
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This never happened when flight attendants were stewardesses, were hot, wore short skirts, and knew their place...

Now you get 60-year-old heifers who won't blow the pilots, go all "bla bla bla" about TSA and dumb FAA rules, they look grumpy the whole flight, and the pilots get mad and crash the plane....

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They'd notice their drinks spilling over, ties floating in mid-air, etc...
Not really. A proper barrel roll will be a continuous 1 G maneuver.



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Old 03-26-2015, 06:06 PM   #149
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Pretty much...this is taken from another forum I'm on..
Interesting read, thanks.

Just a sad situation, what a worthless coward.
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