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**FRCDFED** · 02-19-2013, 09:05 AM

Mayock sees four options for Chiefs at No. 1

Posted by Mike Florio on February 19, 2013, 9:02 AM EST

APOn Monday, preeminent draft guru Mike Mayock participated in a pre-Combine conference call that lasted more than 2.5 hours. Tirelessly answering question after question, Mayock demonstrated once again a computerized recall of names and teams and needs.

With plenty of interest focused on what will happen at the top of the draft, Mayock eventually was asked to identify the players he believes to be worthy of the first overall pick, held by the Chiefs.

Mayock said there are four: Alabama guard Chance Warmack; North Carolina guard Jonathan Cooper; Texas A&M tackle Luke Joeckel; and Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Warmack is Mayock’s preference. “People will tell me I’m crazy, that a guard can’t go No. 1,” Mayock explained. “I think he’s the best player in the draft, so I would argue that.”

The list doesn’t create the kind of sizzle to which we’ve become accustomed at the top of the draft. And for good reason. There are no quarterbacks regarded as worthy of being the first overall pick this year.

Mayock realizes that the Chiefs’ needs could be influenced by their decision regarding tackle Branden Albert (who could actually move to guard if a guy like Joeckel is drafted with the first pick). Still, Chiefs coach Andy Reid learned the hard way in 2012 the importance of having a high-end offensive live. With a cluster of high-quality blockers at the top of the draft and a rookie wage scale to keep the total cost far less than what it would be to sign Albert to a long-term deal, the Chiefs could opt for the lineman whom they decide they like the most.

And then they’d hope that the rest of the teams agree with G.M. John Dorsey’s assessment that none of the quarterbacks merit a first-round selection. Which would push all of the quarterbacks to the Chiefs at the top of round two.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

He was cheap shotted.

Running for his life.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 10:08 AM

I certainly hope this coaching staff and front office aspires for something better than Andy ****ing Dalton.

PhillyChiefFan · 02-20-2013, 10:13 AM

Walterfootball now mocking Joeckel to KC instead of Geno Smith. Saying we will give up a 3rd maybe even a 2nd to Philly for Foles.

If we draft LT and trade our 2nd for Foles...I think I'll puke.

Guess I just don't understand why you wouldn't draft Smith even if you aquire Foles in FA with a LT already in place that you can either resign or tag...

patteeu · 02-20-2013, 10:15 AM

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What logic? Nobody is trading up to #1 for Geno. If he isn't worth a #1 overall pick, he isn't worth a #1 overall pick. Jacksonville is going to take a DE. We have no leverage and NOBODY wants our pick.

Why not? Surely there are people in places besides ChiefsPlanet who think Geno Smith is a no-brainer first pick. Reading all the reports from well-versed, intensely-interested draftniks here, I can't imagine that there's not at least a couple of GMs out there who would trade the farm for the chance to draft him.

milkman · 02-20-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I certainly hope this coaching staff and front office aspires for something better than Andy ****ing Dalton.

Oh, I agree.

I'm on the Geno wagon because I think the kid has elite accuracy, a plus armn which improves when he corrects his footwork, and good mobility.

I think it all adds up to top 10 QB potential.

I only used Dalton to illustrate the huge difference in impact betwen QB and all other positions, including LT.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Oh, I agree.

I'm on the Geno wagon because I think the kid has elite accuracy, a plus armn which improves when he corrects his footwork, and good mobility.

I think it all adds up to top 10 QB potential.

I only used Dalton to illustrate the huge difference in impact betwen QB and all other positions, including LT.

The elite accuracy seals it for me. That's something you just can't teach.

Messier · 02-20-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that this class is as weak as the "experts" say.

In that case, the likelyhood of finding Andy Dalton in the second round is virtually non exstent.

No matter how you approach it, passing on QB in this draft, which has no elite talent at any position, is a bad decision.

That's not true. The last really weak QB class had the best QB drafted in the second round.

milkman · 02-20-2013, 11:30 AM

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That's not true. The last really weak QB class had the best QB drafted in the second round.

No, it is true.

I didn't say that you absolutely can not find that guy with that approach.

I said it's not likely.

The fact that it happened once doesn't make it likely.

It'd be like going into the draft believing you will. Find the next Tom Brady in the sixth round because that's wher Brady was drafted.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

That's not true. The last really weak QB class had the best QB drafted in the second round.

This isn't a really weak QB class. It's just being portrayed as such.

Messier · 02-20-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, it is true.

I didn't say that you absolutely can not find that guy with that approach.

I said it's not likely.

The fact that it happened once doesn't make it likely.

It'd be like going into the draft believing you will. Find the next Tom Brady in the sixth round because that's wher Brady was drafted.

But in a weak QB class, there isn't much separating the QBs. If a team feels a QB in the second round has everything a QB drafted in the first has, then take the QB you feel is the best for you. If Reid thinks Wison or Nassib will turn into a better Pro than Smith, I can't argue.

Messier · 02-20-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This isn't a really weak QB class. It's just being portrayed as such.

No its not really. Its a class without much separation with the top four or five prospects.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

But in a weak QB class, there isn't much separating the QBs. If a team feels a QB in the second round has everything a QB drafted in the first has, then take the QB you feel is the best for you. If Reid thinks Wison or Nassib will turn into a better Pro than Smith, I can't argue.

I still think getting Wilson at #34 is fantasy.

If Reid thinks Nassib will be a better pro than Smith, I'm absolutely going to argue. Because it's dumb.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

No its not really. Its a class without much separation with the top four or five prospects.

Yet.

Messier · 02-20-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I still think getting Wilson at #34 is fantasy.

If Reid thinks Nassib will be a better pro than Smith, I'm absolutely going to argue. Because it's dumb.

We'll see I guess. I think only two QBs go in the first, and one of them won't be Taylor.

Right now I'll take the field vs. Smith for best pro QB.

htismaqe · 02-20-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

We'll see I guess. I think only two QBs go in the first, and one of them won't be Taylor.

Right now I'll take the field vs. Smith for best pro QB.

Which 2?

Geno and Glennon are likely to go in the top 10. You think Barkley and Wilson BOTH make it through the next 22 picks?

I don't.

02-19-2013, 09:05 AM
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