Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 10

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

Reerun_KC · 11-21-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

The Chiefs could conceivably walk away from him after this season, and there's rumors out there that they are considering it. He keeps QBing the 29th ranked offense and it might well happen.

has to happen. In an offensive driven league. If you want to continue to drive fans away then keep him around...

But already we are seeing tons of empty seats starting to pop up on a 7-3 team...

Why? Because we cant ****ing move the ball and score, especially when needed...

**Bowser** · 11-21-2016, 10:40 AM

Yeah, Alex is a "capable game manager", right up until he isn't.

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

love him or hate him.. I don't see how anyone could argue this post.

1. He doesn't manage the game anymore. That was obvious yesterday.
2. His potential is all but gone.....look at the games this season.
3. Our offense has been shit....even when we had Maclin.

**srvy** · 11-21-2016, 10:41 AM

No Alex was not the sole problem but he was part of the problem. The interception was rookie type mistake no excuse for seasoned vet. Third down is always a turd with this guy. I don't care about QB % that's from being unwilling so take risks. We averaged 33 points a game last year that surprised me. We aren't near that this year he has regressed though he has all the tools around to succeed. You really need to stop being hard-headed and admit Alex has taken a step back this year. You do have some good takes but they are lost in all the Alex worship.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Oh absolutely, but threads like this deserve to get shat upon, as does TiggerBob

Because we don't want to live in the same level of miserableness as yours?

Makes sense.

Reerun_KC · 11-21-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

1. He doesn't manage the game anymore. That was obvious yesterday.
2. His potential is all but gone.....look at the games this season.
3. Our offense has been shit....even when we had Maclin.

This.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Yeah, Alex is a "capable game manager", right up until he isn't.

Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

**fan4ever** · 11-21-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

But if you read carefully nobody has called Smith elite. He's a capable game manager with the potential to play very well as seen by many games with us and his career playoff performances.
The point is to show that this is a team game and the defense cannot be excused from criticism. The offense is far from its standards in 2015, but then again we won't know the full product that we have until our #1 receiver is back healthy....

Well we can certainly agree on the "not elite" part. We aren't the Baltimore Ravens of old who could win anything substantial with an average QB...yesterday's defense proved that.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

This.

He led the team to two touchdowns in under 4 minutes. The other drive was stunted by play calling and Kelce missing a pass that could've went to paydirt.

please fail harder.

Sandy Vagina · 11-21-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

You all are just spinning your tires on this thing, whether you like Alex or don't, or anyone else on the roster.

At the end of the day, it's up to the staff and the team to get this thing figured out, not us. If they do, great, we're all hoping for that, but if they don't, they'll go in a new direction. Nothing is going to change until the offseason.

I'll continue to pull for this team every week and see the good and the bad for what it is. If things need changed, I trust Dorsey will make it happen.

Good post and attitude. Even though some of us will spin our wheels for conversation's sake, we know all of this to be so.

I'm just gonna enjoy the ride... even if it's bumpy, boring, or gives me the shits.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

Well we can certainly agree on the "not elite" part. We aren't the Baltimore Ravens of old who could win anything substantial with an average QB...yesterday's defense proved that.

Which is disappointing considering half of our starters can/will make the pro bowl.... Houston, Berry, DJ, Peters, Jones, Poe, Ford.

**fan4ever** · 11-21-2016, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

You all are just spinning your tires on this thing, whether you like Alex or don't, or anyone else on the roster.

At the end of the day, it's up to the staff and the team to get this thing figured out, not us. If they do, great, we're all hoping for that, but if they don't, they'll go in a new direction. Nothing is going to change until the offseason.

I'll continue to pull for this team every week and see the good and the bad for what it is. If things need changed, I trust Dorsey will make it happen.

Oh, OK. I mean, I've only had 47 years of "Wait until next year" so that sounds good. Whew, feel better.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2016, 10:47 AM

Idk if anyone else saw this... but pretty sure Kelce sent a subliminal message to Maclin yesterday in a post game interview. Can't link it right now, but it was on the Chiefs website.

Basically, a reporter asked what the offense needed to do to be better, and the only thing Kelce really said was that guys needed to be accountable and play through pain and being hurt. There was only one guy on offense that you could really relate that to...

Interesting.

**fan4ever** · 11-21-2016, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Which is disappointing considering half of our starters can/will make the pro bowl.... Houston, Berry, DJ, Peters, Jones, Poe, Ford.

Are you on drugs?

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

Oh, OK. I mean, I've only had 47 years of "Wait until next year" so that sounds good. Whew, feel better.

Yeah, you're right. Call Dorsey and tell him to draft a QB tonight. Fixed!

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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11-21-2016, 10:40 AM	#137
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $2081616	Yeah, Alex is a "capable game manager", right up until he isn't.
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11-21-2016, 10:41 AM	#139
srvy Fight, build, win! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: KC Casino cash: $161250	No Alex was not the sole problem but he was part of the problem. The interception was rookie type mistake no excuse for seasoned vet. Third down is always a turd with this guy. I don't care about QB % that's from being unwilling so take risks. We averaged 33 points a game last year that surprised me. We aren't near that this year he has regressed though he has all the tools around to succeed. You really need to stop being hard-headed and admit Alex has taken a step back this year. You do have some good takes but they are lost in all the Alex worship. __________________ "The victim stance is a powerful one. The victim is always morally right, neither responsible nor accountable, and forever entitled to sympathy."
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11-21-2016, 10:47 AM	#148
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $8689447	Idk if anyone else saw this... but pretty sure Kelce sent a subliminal message to Maclin yesterday in a post game interview. Can't link it right now, but it was on the Chiefs website. Basically, a reporter asked what the offense needed to do to be better, and the only thing Kelce really said was that guys needed to be accountable and play through pain and being hurt. There was only one guy on offense that you could really relate that to... Interesting.
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