Saints willing to trade Brees

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Hey Reid...pretty please? Lol

“@RyanBartow: The @Saints are opening up offers for Drew Brees.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We're willing to pay it for a greedy, older player that changes teams almost every year but not for a guy we drafted who's younger and almost broke the single season pass record?

I can't believe people still don't understand that tagging Houston was always going to happen.
They were never going to pay him after a 22 sack season.
He may get barely 12 next season his market value will fall and they will pay him.
He may tear his ACL next season. Who Knows. It's just business.

This also GUARANTEES another season of 110% effort.
You never know what players will get lazy after they get rich.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

LaConfora also reporting that there is a 3/$48M on the table with $40M guaranteed.

Hell, I've seen reports from respected guys saying Pittsburgh, Green Bay, KC, NE, Buffalo and NYJ all in on this.

That must be the Jets offer.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We're willing to pay it for a greedy, older player that changes teams almost every year but not for a guy we drafted who's younger and almost broke the single season pass record?

I feel like you don't listen or you just tailor words to fit your gripe.

Let's say the Chiefs have offered $50 million to Houston in guarantees and he's said no, they've now offered $30 million in guarantees to Revis hoping he'll say yes.

In no way is that electing Revis over Houston. That's trying to pay Houston more than Revis, Houston's not taking it, you're not willing to go beyond where you think Houston's worth is so now you offer someone else what you believe their worth is.

You have to look at players as commodities. Moreover, you have to look at them as commodities with elastic demand curves. If you can't get a commodity at a price you're willing to pay for it, you go to your next best option and try to get that commodity at a price you're willing to pay for it. You don't offer the same price you offered for your favored position, you just keep offering several positions what you think are fair prices until one hits.

It's absolutely sensible in a cap environment. Would I rather spend $15 million AAV on Justin Houston than $12 million on Revis? Yup. But if Houston's demanding $20 million, then I'm going to take that $12, give it to Revis instead and find something else to do with the remaining $8.

This shit isn't as simple as you want it to be.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I can't believe people still don't understand that tagging Houston was always going to happen.
They were never going to pay him after a 22 sack season.
He may get barely 12 next season his market value will fall and they will pay him.
He may tear his ACL next season. Who Knows. It's just business.

With this logic, its a wonder why teams give out more than 1 year contracts.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I can't believe people still don't understand that tagging Houston was always going to happen.
They were never going to pay him after a 22 sack season.
He may get barely 12 next season his market value will fall and they will pay him.
He may tear his ACL next season. Who Knows. It's just business.

This also GUARANTEES another season of 110% effort.
You never know what players will get lazy after they get rich.

If they don't do the contract this year he'll be traded/gone.

He won't play for us. He's earned a big contract and from his POV he's being cheated out of his big payday by the team he played his heart out for...

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It really makes no sense unless they fear they are going to lose Houston.

Then, it makes all the sense in the world. You need shutdown CB's when you have no pass rush.

You're a dumbass.

I've seen you talk all kinds of shit about how good franchises find ways to sign guys.

When we try to do, it must mean the worst is happening.

You are what is commonly referred to as a 'Bitch ass'

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Billay

Hmm don't know why the Chiefs want him so bad. With that kind of money they could sign a couple o-linemen and add depth at other positions.

Revis changes the whole way you are able to attack offenses that have good personnel.

If added to a defense with an elite pass rush like ours, it would elevate the entire defense to historic levels.

Houston
Revis
Hali
Ford
Poe
Bailey
Smith
DJ

Wow...that would be a truly stacked defense.

Also, guys like Revis aren't available in the draft...OL and depth are.

I love hearing that Dorsey/Reid/Clark are out there trying to TRULY bolster this team to give us a real chance to win something significant.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Rausch

If they don't do the contract this year he'll be traded/gone.

He won't play for us. He's earned a big contract and from his POV he's being cheated out of his big payday by the team he played his heart out for...

That's what every franchised player thinks...and guess what.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

You're a dumbass.

I've seen you talk all kinds of shit about how good franchises find ways to sign guys.

When we try to do, it must mean the worst is happening.

You are what is commonly referred to as a 'Bitch ass'

You're entirely missing the point.

While it would be nice to have a HOF CB, we surely don't need him.

Just yesterday people were talking about having the #2 ranked pass defense, and saying about another CB - "what's the point, will he make us the #1 instead of #2 passing defense?"

It doesn't make sense to spend that money at arguably our strongest position when we have so many other needs.

Pull the pickle out of your ass, sport.

[BossChief]

So....

Yeah....

Drew Brees...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I feel like you don't listen or you just tailor words to fit your gripe...

You have to look at players as commodities. Moreover, you have to look at them as commodities with elastic demand curves. If you can't get a commodity at a price you're willing to pay for it, you go to your next best option and try to get that commodity at a price you're willing to pay for it. You don't offer the same price you offered for your favored position, you just keep offering several positions what you think are fair prices until one hits.

It's absolutely sensible in a cap environment. Would I rather spend $15 million AAV on Justin Houston than $12 million on Revis? Yup. But if Houston's demanding $20 million, then I'm going to take that $12, give it to Revis instead and find something else to do with the remaining $8.

This shit isn't as simple as you want it to be.

I do look at it that way.

I also know that without DJ or Berry and with our castoff CB of the week we had one of the better pass defenses in the league. Most of that was due to the Hali/Poe/Houston trinity. Houston being the biggest part of that pass rush.

Even a corner like Revis doesn't have that kind of impact on the whole defense.

Houston leaves and it's not just the pass rush taking a step back it's the pass coverage as well. And that's compounded by the fact we couldn't stop the run last year worth a damn.

I could see, hypothetically, a guy like a Drew Brees having that type of impact for our offense.

Houston wins in every area. Age. Likelihood to stay for 3+ years. His position not being completely screwed over by new NFL rules.

Corner and pass rusher are spreading apart in value just like QB and RB are due to rules changes...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So....

Yeah....

Drew Brees...

Yeah, I know. My fault, I sidetracked the thread.

But neither are coming here, and we all know it.

(hoping me being wrong on Maclin pays off two more times)

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Means he'd mortgage the future into several life times if it guaranteed 1 superbowl in his.

I'd probably be down with that too.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're entirely missing the point.

While it would be nice to have a HOF CB, we surely don't need him.

Just yesterday people were talking about having the #2 ranked pass defense, and saying about another CB - "what's the point, will he make us the #1 instead of #2 passing defense?"

It doesn't make sense to spend that money at arguably our strongest position when we have so many other needs.

This is what teams do when they feel like they are close.
And a team with Alex Smith at QB will need an HISTORIC defense to win it all.
YOU KNOW THIS.
Luckily, it seems that the FO does as well, otherwise this would make no sense.
If it was snake, it would have bit you in the face.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Pull the pickle out of your ass, sport.

Will do. I broke my Vape. I'm kinda grumpy.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

That's what every franchised player thinks...and guess what.

Look, it would be stupid to franchise him twice.

You could sign him long term and pay less in the short term.

To franchise him for a 2nd year would cost nearly $16.5 million.

You're talking almost 30 million for two years and you're not even getting that first year or two lower number that comes with a long term contract.

Negotiating an NFL contract is often a slow play game. I'm aware of that. I just don't want to see us giving away future cap space and ruling out a long term deal in the future...