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Old 04-17-2013, 11:52 AM   #1
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Not agreeing with how good Geno Smith could be as a pro doesn't mean you're allowed to go full reerun and put him next to James Vandenberg on the QB scale.

I don't think Joeckel is anything special as a top LT prospect. When I think of the top tackles to come out of the draft in past years, I can't think of many I'd prefer Joeckel to. Tyron Smith maybe.

But that doesn't mean I'm allowed to put him next to Colin Brown. That's just ridiculous bullshit.
I didn't do that, you literally did. I asked you a simple question that you haven't answered yet. If you don't think Vandenberg has a legit shot to greatly improve the Chiefs, then there's a problem with your original attempt to talk down to me in post 26.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:03 PM   #2
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I didn't do that, you literally did. I asked you a simple question that you haven't answered yet. If you don't think Vandenberg has a legit shot to greatly improve the Chiefs, then there's a problem with your original attempt to talk down to me in post 26.
**** you. I shouldn't have to clarify that I mean the top QB in a class. You know goddamn well I didn't just mean any turd of a QB.
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**** you. I shouldn't have to clarify that I mean the top QB in a class. You know goddamn well I didn't just mean any turd of a QB.
Yes, you shouldn't have to make cogent arguments at all. We should all just accept your wisdom without question. Get over yourself, girl.
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Yes, you shouldn't have to make cogent arguments at all. We should all just accept your wisdom without question. Get over yourself, girl.
Fine. Let's do this over again, douche. Here's my rewritten version of Post #26 for you. Perfectly clarified and gentle enough for little Patricia's vagina.

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A QB with a sharp release and throwing capability, who has played in three different offensive systems in college, has seemingly unlimited potential if he consistently applies the good coaching he could receive under Andy Reid, and would be able to take as much time as he needs to blossom into the right QB if Alex Smith proves that he's as game manager mediocre as he appears to be. Also, this QB is by FAR better than James Vandenberg or just any QB that could be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round in any given draft class barring the obvious exceptions like Russell Wilson that happen as often as Tom Bradys and Kurt Warners do.

Versus a starting RT/LT.

Think, Pat. It's not that hard to understand why Geno is a much sexier and (it can be argued) smarter pick
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Fine. Let's do this over again, douche. Here's my rewritten version of Post #26 for you. Perfectly clarified and gentle enough for little Patricia's vagina.
If the Chiefs see it like you do, I'm sure they'll do the right thing. And if they see Eric Fisher as a decade-long anchor who can make his entire side of the line better due to his outstanding athleticism, his inspirational leadership and his coachability while worrying that Geno Smith might not have the leadership intangibles or that his decision making is too slow to have a great chance of realizing his physical potential, they might take the tackle. Furthermore, if they think more highly of Alex Smith than you or PGM do, even a Geno Smith that they think can achieve his potential might not seem like a "great improvement at a position of need" to them.
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If the Chiefs see it like you do, I'm sure they'll do the right thing. And if they see Eric Fisher as a decade-long anchor who can make his entire side of the line better due to his outstanding athleticism, his inspirational leadership and his coachability while worrying that Geno Smith might not have the leadership intangibles or that his decision making is too slow to have a great chance of realizing his physical potential, they might take the tackle. Furthermore, if they think more highly of Alex Smith than you or PGM do, even a Geno Smith that they think can achieve his potential might not seem like a "great improvement at a position of need" to them.
Andy obviously does think more of Alex Smith than I do. And if Alex Smith is unprecedentedly all that Reid thinks he is/can be, then fine.

We're still in the position where we just drafted a RT at 1.1. And the scary thing is that I prefer that to drafting him and trading Albert just so we can tell people, "We didn't reach on value! We got a LEFT tackle. A LEFT tackle. Those are always good, yeah?"

Sigh. How far my standards have fallen. At least Fisher isn't Joeckel.
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Andy obviously does think more of Alex Smith than I do. And if Alex Smith is unprecedentedly all that Reid thinks he is/can be, then fine.

We're still in the position where we just drafted a RT at 1.1. And the scary thing is that I prefer that to drafting him and trading Albert just so we can tell people, "We didn't reach on value! We got a LEFT tackle. A LEFT tackle. Those are always good, yeah?"

Sigh. How far my standards have fallen. At least Fisher isn't Joeckel.
Just as you (I think correctly) explain that LT is becoming less important than it once was, RT is becoming more important. In today's NFL, with TEs playing all over the place and pass rushers moving from side to side, you need more of an ambidextrous line, IMO. The blind side is still the blind side so there will always be a bit of a difference, but I think that difference is becoming smaller. That said, just because the guy you draft plays RT this year, doesn't mean that's where he'll stay, as you well know.
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