Alex Smith to ask for release

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Alex Smith does not fit the PASSING QB & offensive role that Andy Reid is looking for. Same boat with Alex Smith as in Matt Cassel 2010. Coach Reid wants to pass the ball not just hand off to the running backs. Alex Smith is a game manager not a game winner.


Do not want not even as a back up, he doesn't want to be a back up. Let young QBs duke it out with one being Geno Smith and a later round QB.

You keep saying that - it doesn't make it any more accurate.

He's not a downfield passer, true. But look at his skill-set and explain to me why he couldn't be an efficient volume passer in a west-coast set. He's accurate, he's smart with the ball and he's mobile. He could easily be a guy that throws the ball 30+ times a game but does so in a manner where he hits his guys in the intermediate areas to create space for them to operate.

No matter what QB he brings in, Reid doesn't have the personnel to run the offense he ran the last couple of years in Philly. He doesn't have the WRs to run it.

What he'll have to do is use a more conventional WCO where he uses the intermediate zones to create space for guys to rack up RAC yards. He'll have to use the short passing game to set up the run and deep passes off double moves.

Smith could do that. You keep saying he shouldn't be a volume passer because he hasn't been asked to be - but what do you see in the actual player that says he can't be?

He has the skills to do the job.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You keep saying that - it doesn't make it any more accurate.

He's not a downfield passer, true. But look at his skill-set and explain to me why he couldn't be an efficient volume passer in a west-coast set. He's accurate, he's smart with the ball and he's mobile. He could easily be a guy that throws the ball 30+ times a game but does so in a manner where he hits his guys in the intermediate areas to create space for them to operate.

No matter what QB he brings in, Reid doesn't have the personnel to run the offense he ran the last couple of years in Philly. He doesn't have the WRs to run it.

What he'll have to do is use a more conventional WCO where he uses the intermediate zones to create space for guys to rack up RAC yards. He'll have to use the short passing game to set up the run and deep passes off double moves.

Smith could do that. You keep saying he shouldn't be a volume passer because he hasn't been asked to be - but what do you see in the actual player that says he can't be?

He has the skills to do the job.

I have no NO desire to see Alex Smith in a Chief uniform none. Same as it ever was. His age and he is a retread. I don't think he is the kind of QB you would ask to pass the ball 40+ times like Andy Reid is wanting to ask the QB to do. He relies on the run game and playaction. I don't see Alex Smith having the arm strength and have to rely on his arm that many times a game each and every week.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I have no NO desire to see Alex Smith in a Chief uniform none. Same as it ever was. His age and he is a retread. I don't think he is the kind of QB you would ask to pass the ball 40+ times like Andy Reid is wanting to ask the QB to do. He relies on the run game and playaction. I don't see Alex Smith having the arm strength and have to rely on his arm that many times a game each and every week.

Having no desire to see him in KC and making shit up to support that viewpoint are two separate creatures.

Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb are two very very similar QBs and Reid had no problem asking Kolb to throw the football. Moreover, I think Smith is a smarter, more accurate passer than Kolb ever was. Kolb was held back by his tendency to be a gunslinger without the physical skills to pull it off; Smith is much smarter than that.

There are ample reasons to be against Alex Smith as a Chief. We have an unprecedented opportunity to aggressively pursue a franchise-altering QB and Alex Smith clearly has a limited ceiling. And Smith is going to be 29 next season and likely won't come terribly cheap in FA.

But to argue that Reid can't make a successful QB out of Alex Smith because Smith's never been asked to be a mad bomber is nuts. There's no reason that Reid couldn't use Smith like he used Kolb and get a much better version of him for his efforts.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Having no desire to see him in KC and making shit up to support that viewpoint are two separate creatures.

Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb are two very very similar QBs and Reid had no problem asking Kolb to throw the football. Moreover, I think Smith is a smarter, more accurate passer than Kolb ever was. Kolb was held back by his tendency to be a gunslinger without the physical skills to pull it off; Smith is much smarter than that.

There are ample reasons to be against Alex Smith as a Chief. We have an unprecedented opportunity to aggressively pursue a franchise-altering QB and Alex Smith clearly has a limited ceiling. And Smith is going to be 29 next season and likely won't come terribly cheap in FA.

But to argue that Reid can't make a successful QB out of Alex Smith because Smith's never been asked to be a mad bomber is nuts. There's no reason that Reid couldn't use Smith like he used Kolb and get a much better version of him for his efforts.

So Alex Smith at age 29 is suppose to reinvent himself as a passing QB with passing in a game more than 40 times? He is expected to be successeful that way with out relying on the run game first? Have you seen his frame of body? He starts getting sacked he wont last long.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

So Alex Smith at age 29 is suppose to reinvent himself as a passing QB with passing in a game more than 40 times? He is expected to be successeful that way with out relying on the run game first? Have you seen his frame of body? He starts getting sacked he wont last long.

How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.

That's what I'm afraid of. Game manager not game winner. Draft a quarterback with our first and quit bringing in retreads. True fans. I swear.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

That's what I'm afraid of. Game manager not game winner. Draft a quarterback with our first and quit bringing in retreads. True fans. I swear.

Blow me.

I've wanted Geno Smith for over a year and still do. But unlike you and some others, I'm not going to manipulate facts to fit my narrative.

Smith's a fine NFL quarterback. 'smaqe has the most legitimate concern of all - he may be just good enough to put us into quarterback purgatory, in fact. Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure.

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.

People here are sorely underrating Alex Smith. He was drafted when he was for a reason. Unfortunately he had to go through the same situation Gabbert is, and it makes it extremely hard for a QB to develop.

But once a QB like that finally Clicks, they rarely let it go. I'm not saying he will throw 4k yards consistently and 30TDs, but he will be a solid QB.