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Old 12-28-2012, 02:00 PM  
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An addition to the Pioli resume
I was bored, thought I'd run some numbers - hadn't done any Chiefs-related homework in a while.

Anywho, discussion in another thread got me to thinking about the "talent level" on this team. People seem to be getting back in the habit of blaming specifically the QB and coaching, while claiming that this roster, and those before it are loaded with talent.

For a team that supposedly has talent, all they've done is beat up on the weak sisters of the poor over the last 4 years of the Pioli Nightmare.

23 wins in 4 years.

Those 23 wins came against teams with a collective 152-214 record and a .415 winning percentage. You can thank Green Bay dropping a metric ****ton of passes back in December of 2011 - take them out of the equation, and you're looking at a .375 winning percentage.

1 win in 4 years against a 10-win or better team.

3 wins in 4 years against a 9-win or better team.

20 wins against 8-8 teams or worse - 11 of those wins against teams with 6 wins or less.

So the "Executive of the Decade" was responsible for 5.75 wins per year, and we should consider ourselves lucky we "earned" that many.

In this era of parity in the NFL, a team with this much "talent" would be winning more than 5.75 games per year. Even without a QB. Even without a QB and HC.

Folks say that Mark Sanchez is a POS, and that we have more talent than the Jets. The same Jets that have won 34 games in the last 4 years. 11 more than the Chiefs.

Buffalo has shit for talent, plays in a brutal division, and has 2 fewer wins over the same time period.

Cleveland is hot garbage, and they've won 4 fewer games over the past 4 years. 1 game a year difference.

Jacksonville has 1 fewer win.

Miami has 4 MORE wins.

Oakland has 2 MORE wins.


The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that we have more "talent" than every one of the above teams.

The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that our QB play has been at least as good as the above teams, and in most cases, better.

The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that our coaching has been at least as good as the above teams, and in most cases, better.


The overwhelming majority of this board would be dead wrong on one of those three assessments. One of these things is not like the other.

Folks, it's time to wake up and realize that QB and HC are just part of the problem.

I see a lot of bad teams with bad QB's and bad HC's that have won as much or more than we have.

Sadly, the bottom line is that there isn't nearly as much "talent" on this roster that you think there is - and that we're a lot closer to the Cleveland's, Buffalo's and Jacksonville's of the NFL than you want to admit.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:13 PM   #2
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Coaching has been at least as bad as all those teams. Qb had been at least as bad too. Probably worse in both cases.

I'm in the camp that we are a very talented team that is in the same mindset as poor old lomas brown.

They hate their qbs and know every Sunday they don't have a very good chance of winning behind them.

Or coaching hasn't helped either.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:18 PM   #3
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So you're saying we have a roster chock full of talented quitters.

Got it.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:19 PM   #4
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when Pioli goes, can he take his 'scouts' with him?
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So you're saying we have a roster chock full of talented quitters.

Got it.
Well now we know why Hillis chose to sign here.
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So you're saying we have a roster chock full of talented quitters.

Got it.
We're in much the same position now as in '09. There is a talented core of players. Unfortunately, the majority of this core is now four years older because Pioli was truly terrible at his job.
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So you're saying we have a roster chock full of talented quitters.

Got it.
I would call them frustrated.


Or lacking in direction.


No QUALITY leadership from the top down.

How could any team win like that?


this organization is a total cluster **** and when it gets straightened out I think you will be surprised how everything changes
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Even if the QB was "as bad" as those other teams.

Even if the coaching was "as bad" as those other teams.

This insane amount of talent some of you claim we have would be winning games.

These other teams are winning as many games or MORE without the QB, HC or the talent.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:23 PM   #9
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I would call them frustrated.


Or lacking in direction.


No QUALITY leadership from the top down.

How could any team win like that?


this organization is a total cluster **** and when it gets straightened out I think you will be surprised how everything changes
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There's no leadership with Buffalo, Jacksonville, Oakland etc. either.

Yet they've won as many games or more than we have in the past 4 years, and with way less talent, according to the majority of this board.

Straightened out = drafting talented players.
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The bills have 21 wins the last 4 years
The Jaguars have 22
The Raiders have 25
The Chiefs have 23

Thats just sad.
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There's no leadership with Buffalo, Jacksonville, Oakland etc. either.

Yet they've won as many games or more than we have in the past 4 years, and with way less talent, according to the majority of this board.

Straightened out = drafting talented players.
Oakland seems to have changed their whole philosophy between last year and this. We should probably not lump them in quote yet. small sample size.

Jax sucks yes.

Buffalo has Chan gailey the chicken salad out of chicken shit guy. They made a mistake at the qb position...

Ohhhhhh maybe THAT'S the defining factor in all the teams you mentioned.

A franchise qb.
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Oak. Cle. Buff. Jets. Chiefs.

Not a franchise qb on any of them.


Thanks for the research in proving how valuable the qb is otwp
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Oakland seems to have changed their whole philosophy between last year and this. We should probably not lump them in quote yet. small sample size.

Jax sucks yes.

Buffalo has Chan gailey the chicken salad out of chicken shit guy. They made a mistake at the qb position...

Ohhhhhh maybe THAT'S the defining factor in all the teams you mentioned.

A franchise qb.
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Jason, you're missing the point.

All these teams have bad QB play.

All of these teams suffer from poor coaching/leadership.

But posters here seem to think we have a ton of talent that these other teams don't have - yet they've all won as many games (or more) than we have in the past 4 years.
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