Manziel wins Heisman

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I'd just like it to be known that when the times comes... down the road... I was the first one to post the words "suck for Manziel."

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

I'd just like it to be known that when the times comes... down the road... I was the first one to post the words "suck for Manziel."

No you weren't

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by SNR

No you weren't

Well that figures.

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by Guru

3 loss QB wins Heisman. Makes perfect sense.

Dude had 4600 yards this year. Tebow and Cam both trailed this guy in their best season. By a lot.

[Gravedigger]

Comparing him to Tebow and Cam Newton and then saying thats the reason you gave him the Heisman is ridiculous. So it's about 4600 passing yards? I thought the Heisman was for the best player in all of college football. A quarterback on a 10-2 team is not the best player in college football. A quarterback who had one win against a top 10 team and that is only because his defense contributed an end game stand to secure the win. Basically the pundits are saying because he won against Alabama, and because he had more passing yards than Cam Newton and Tim Tebow... because we know Tim Tebow was a passing quarterback, that he deserves the Heisman.

I thought it should've gone to Teo. That is the guy who encompasses a leader and a student athlete in the truest sense of the word. I think it's funny how Colin Klein has a bad game or two and is suddenly out of it. Last night people kept saying "Don't forget about Colin Klein." Everyone it seems forgot about Colin Klein.

So what we've learned about the Heisman is:
If you have a concussion, and you have an off game or two, you're DQ'd.
If you have more passing yards than the guy who won it before you, your chances are really good.
If you have a win over an overrated team, comparative to years past, your in.
If you are a stand up guy, who led a defense, team, and college, back from obscurity... sorry, you're a defensive player, we only give the Heisman to QB's, RB's and WR's.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Comparing him to Tebow and Cam Newton and then saying thats the reason you gave him the Heisman is ridiculous. So it's about 4600 passing yards? I thought the Heisman was for the best player in all of college football. A quarterback on a 10-2 team is not the best player in college football. A quarterback who had one win against a top 10 team and that is only because his defense contributed an end game stand to secure the win. Basically the pundits are saying because he won against Alabama, and because he had more passing yards than Cam Newton and Tim Tebow... because we know Tim Tebow was a passing quarterback, that he deserves the Heisman.

I thought it should've gone to Teo. That is the guy who encompasses a leader and a student athlete in the truest sense of the word. I think it's funny how Colin Klein has a bad game or two and is suddenly out of it. Last night people kept saying "Don't forget about Colin Klein." Everyone it seems forgot about Colin Klein.

So what we've learned about the Heisman is:
If you have a concussion, and you have an off game or two, you're DQ'd.
If you have more passing yards than the guy who won it before you, your chances are really good.
If you have a win over an overrated team, comparative to years past, your in.
If you are a stand up guy, who led a defense, team, and college, back from obscurity... sorry, you're a defensive player, we only give the Heisman to QB's, RB's and WR's.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Comparing him to Tebow and Cam Newton and then saying thats the reason you gave him the Heisman is ridiculous. So it's about 4600 passing yards? I thought the Heisman was for the best player in all of college football. A quarterback on a 10-2 team is not the best player in college football. A quarterback who had one win against a top 10 team and that is only because his defense contributed an end game stand to secure the win. Basically the pundits are saying because he won against Alabama, and because he had more passing yards than Cam Newton and Tim Tebow... because we know Tim Tebow was a passing quarterback, that he deserves the Heisman.

I thought it should've gone to Teo. That is the guy who encompasses a leader and a student athlete in the truest sense of the word. I think it's funny how Colin Klein has a bad game or two and is suddenly out of it. Last night people kept saying "Don't forget about Colin Klein." Everyone it seems forgot about Colin Klein.

So what we've learned about the Heisman is:
If you have a concussion, and you have an off game or two, you're DQ'd.
If you have more passing yards than the guy who won it before you, your chances are really good.
If you have a win over an overrated team, comparative to years past, your in.
If you are a stand up guy, who led a defense, team, and college, back from obscurity... sorry, you're a defensive player, we only give the Heisman to QB's, RB's and WR's.

The Heisman isn't about best player on the best team. Or at least it shouldn't be. Best player, period.

Last year, Texas A&M was 6-6 with a first-round pick at QB. Everyone expected the Aggies to be in the 6-7 win range again this season, but because of Manziel's excellence, they won 10, knocked off No. 1 on the road, and cemented themselves as major players for the next 3 years, at least, on the national scene.

I was all for Colin Klein until he choked against Baylor, in what is now the biggest game in the history of his program. Yes, a bad game can disqualify someone from the Heisman. Yes, an injury can, too.

Teo was nowhere close to the dominant presence that a guy like Suh - who SHOULD have won the Heisman, IMO - was, and he was not deserving of the award. If he didn't play for Notre Dame, he wouldn't have even been on the list.

Hell, in 2007 William Moore had more tackles, sacks, interceptions, tackles for loss than Teo did this year...

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The Heisman isn't about best player on the best team. Or at least it shouldn't be. Best player, period.

Last year, Texas A&M was 6-6 with a first-round pick at QB. Everyone expected the Aggies to be in the 6-7 win range again this season, but because of Manziel's excellence, they won 10, knocked off No. 1 on the road, and cemented themselves as major players for the next 3 years, at least, on the national scene.

I was all for Colin Klein until he choked against Baylor, in what is now the biggest game in the history of his program. Yes, a bad game can disqualify someone from the Heisman. Yes, an injury can, too.

Teo was nowhere close to the dominant presence that a guy like Suh - who SHOULD have won the Heisman, IMO - was, and he was not deserving of the award. If he didn't play for Notre Dame, he wouldn't have even been on the list.

Hell, in 2007 William Moore had more tackles, sacks, interceptions, tackles for loss than Teo did this year...

It's really stupid to even try to compare a non pass rushing linebacker to a QB. There is no comparison. A linebacker can't have the impact and effect on wins/losses like a QB can.

Plus, nobody keeps stats of mistakes for linebackers like missed tackles, like we do INTs for QBs.

It's very difficult and even pointless to try and do a 1 to 1 comparison.

[keg in kc]

Seemed like the best of a bunch of bad choices. I'm just glad the notre dame hype machine didn't win out. Te'o shouldn't have even been there to start with.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Seemed like the best of a bunch of bad choices. I'm just glad the notre dame hype machine didn't win out. Te'o shouldn't have even been there to start with.

Bullshit. 7 freakin' interceptions and the anchor of one of the best defenses in the country.

Te'o should've won it and it shouldn't have been close. He showed up and dominated every game, every half.

Unlike Manziel who sucked in the 2nd half of the 2 home games that A&M lost this year (after taking leads into the 2nd half both games). And Manziel didn't actually play well in the 2nd half against Alabama.

AJ McCarron won the Heisman for Manziel. If he doesn't throw that pick in the end zone, Bama wins and nobody gives Manziel a 2nd thought.

This garbage about ND hype is just ridiculous. They beat as many ranked teams as anyone in the country, they beat ND and USC in their own barns and the unquestioned best player on their team (and best player in the country) was Manti Te'o.

**** the Heisman voters. It's become nothing more than a "QB of the Year" award.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Bullshit. 7 freakin' interceptions and the anchor of one of the best defenses in the country.

Te'o should've won it and it shouldn't have been close. He showed up and dominated every game, every half.

Unlike Manziel who sucked in the 2nd half of the 2 home games that A&M loss this year (after taking leads into the 2nd half both games). And Manziel didn't actually play well in the 2nd half against Alabama.

AJ McCarron won the Heisman for Manziel. If he doesn't throw that pick in the end zone, Bama wins and nobody gives Manziel a 2nd thought.

This garbage about ND hype is just ridiculous. They beat as many ranked teams as anyone in the country, they beat ND and USC in their own barns and the unquestioned best player on their team (and best player in the country) was Manti Te'o.

**** the Heisman voters. It's become nothing more than a "QB of the Year" award.

Reactions like that are the best part of it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Reactions like that are the best part of it.

And your inability to rebut it is telling.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And your inability to rebut it is telling.

Why take the time to rebut when I already wrote a paragraph about it in the post immediately above yours.

I don't think Te'o is anything particularly special. I do think that front 7 was. I don't think he deserved the award, and I don't think it's any miscarriage of justice that he didn't get it. In fact, I think the only reason he was there is that every Notre Dame broadcast for the latter half of the season was primarily focused on talking him up. You'd think there weren't any other players on that defense. Or on that team, for that matter. It's the Manti Te'o show! And you'd think he cured cancer and brought us world peace between commercial breaks. He's a good player that was/is part of a great defense. He was not a Heisman caliber player. The lack of a clear front-runner for the award this year is likely the only reason he was even part of the discussion.

But I will also note that I vehemently hate Notre Dame, and I make no effort at all to hide that bias.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Te'o should've won it and it shouldn't have been close. He showed up and dominated every game, every half.

56th in the nation in tackles, not even top 100 in forced fumbles or tackles for loss, 681st in sacks. What exactly was he dominating again? He didn't even lead his own team in tackles for loss, QB hurries, or sacks.

Jarvis Jones was truly the best linebacker in the nation this year and didn't even get consideration. Hell, Anthony Barr from UCLA has a legit argument for best LB as well. Manti Te'o didn't belong anywhere near the Heisman ceremony tonight, let alone actually winning the award.

[FloridaMan88]

The Heisman became a joke when Andre Ware won the award.