Chiefs Tyson Jackson goes from underachiever to newfound force - Page 6

Deberg_1990 · 12-07-2012, 11:22 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/06...rachiever.html

Maybe, just maybe, in his fourth season, Chiefs defensive end Tyson Jackson is turning into the impact player the club envisioned when he was the third overall pick of the 2009 NFL Draft.

No longer does Jackson head for the sidelines when the Chiefs go in to their nickel defense. In the last two games, against Denver and Carolina, he teamed with rookie tackle Dontari Poe as the two interior linemen on passing downs.

And Jackson responded with two of the most productive games of what has otherwise been considered an underachieving career.

In Sunday's 27-21 win over Carolina, Jackson matched his season's best with five tackles, recorded his second sack of the season and batted down a third-down pass by Cam Newton on the most crucial fourth-quarter defensive series of the game.

A week earlier, Jackson had three tackles and took down Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning, who was attempting a pass - but because Manning was credited with a 1-yard rush, statistically it was not ruled a sack.

"Tyson has been good all year," Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said. "A lot of times people are watching the ball, and they don't always watch what goes on in the trenches. Tyson has always been a consistent player for us, and every time he goes out there, he does what we ask him to do, and he competes very well.

"We're just asking him to do a little bit more, and he's doing more."
Crennel said he decided to utilize Jackson instead of Allen Bailey on passing downs because teams started running the ball successfully against the nickel defense.

Consequently, Jackson participated in a season-most 55 snaps - or 86 percent of the Chiefs' defensive plays against Denver. In fact, Jackson has seen his most action of the season in the last two weeks. He was in on 73 percent of the team's plays against Carolina. Twice this year, he had been on the field for less than 50 percent of the plays.
"It's awesome, getting sacks and getting quarterback pressures," said Jackson, whose two sacks this season matched the total for his first three seasons. "It's definitely a different feeling than just holding those offensive linemen up so our linebackers can make plays.
"But to be quite honest, I'm a team player. Whatever I can to help our team out, I'm all for it."

In the base 3-4 front, Jackson's primary responsibility is to do the dirty work and occupy blockers so inside linebackers are free to make tackles. But as a down lineman in the nickel, Jackson is free to go after the passer, even if he doesn't get the sack.

Jackson's pressure up the middle against the Broncos, when he mauled Denver center Dan Koppen, kept Manning from stepping up in the pocket and allowed Justin Houston to pick up a sack.

"I understood my role in the defense," Jackson said. "They had guys on the team who could affect the quarterback better than I could at particular times on third down. I know for sure I was a first- and second-down type of guy who could go out there and stop the run. I'm trying to embrace whatever the coaches throw my way right now to help our defense get some three-and-outs and some stops to get our offense the ball.
"The sacks are nice, but I'd trade those to get a win."

The win over Carolina came in the aftermath of last Saturday's murder-suicide by linebacker Jovan Belcher, and now the Chiefs have the difficult task of coping with their grief while preparing for this Sunday's trip to Cleveland.

"I think the win means a lot more than just a win for us," Jackson said after the Carolina game. "Emotionally, it is helping us a little more. . . . It was enough to help us ease our minds. Everybody relied on the man next to him, and that's how we were able to get the job done."

It's uncertain if the Chiefs will be relying on Jackson, 26, much longer. They restructured his contract in the offseason, and his base salary for 2013 would be $14.72 million, with $3.22 guaranteed. So unless the two sides work out another new deal, Jackson may not be in Kansas City next year.

"I'll leave that up to the front office and my agent and let them take care of the business part of the deal," said Jackson. "I would love to be back. I really love the Chiefs, I love the organization, I love the fans.

"This year has been a rough year, but we still have a few games to go to get some wins under our belt and finish our season on a bright note."

Mr. Laz · 12-07-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I remember Kevin Keitzman (yeah shocker I know) saying he has the athletic ability but is asked to stop the run far more than the pass and that a 1 gap would make him successful.

Personally, I think we've see his ceiling. No way we keep him for 17 million next season.

He either agrees to stay for 5-ish million or he goes

Strongside · 12-07-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

He either agrees to stay for 5-ish million or he goes

And the endless crawfish. Don't forget the crawfish.

Mr. Laz · 12-07-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

And the endless crawfish. Don't forget the crawfish.

hell ... i don't even know if it's 5 million per.

I just figure with the escalating money going to veterans even the average price is going to be 5+

**SAUTO** · 12-07-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Then we are in agreement, and this whole debate between you and I was pointless.

Good day, dipshit.

go **** yourself.

just remember what you have said here when you are pimping some slapdick that gets some coverage sacks.

Marcellus · 12-07-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

yes he will. This team isnt going to spend that much money in FA, so Jacksons 14 million eats cap for them without them doing anything, and gets them closer to the 90 whatever percent they have to be at with the cap next season

they dont have to do anything, just the way they like it. they did it for a reason.

You have to be one of the most jaded twisted posters here as far as the Chiefs organization goes.

You realize that makes no sense right? Its $14MM whether you spend it on a TJ or somebody else.

Clark - "Hey guys I don't want to spend $14MM on any good players this off season so keep TJ around to keep us closer to the salary floor even though sucks balls".

Yea, OK a so called cheap owner likes to just flush $ down the drain. That makes sense.

Do you have any idea what kind of player you could get for a $14MM signing bonus and reasonable yearly salary? No they will pay TJ $14MM for 1 season to prevent that.

Secondly Pioli is going to be gone so no ties to Jackson anyway.

crossbow · 12-07-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

the problem with that is Ratboy Pissitua and Dontari Poe are essentially taking on FOUR BLOCKERS in that .gif. Three oline and the blocking HB comes up to help. 4 on 2. So Tyson Jackson is left alone to BEAT ONE ****ING GUY 1 on 1 and he cant even do that.

Thats where you GOT TO make a play. if you are left 1 on 1 like that, you got to have some sort of push, pass rush, anything. That's the difference between a good and bad d-line right there.

Essentially other good teams have that, when Justin Smith gets doubled, Ray McDonald can usually beat his guy 1 on 1 on the other side, JJ Watt doubled, Antonio Smith gets a good 1 on 1 push, Haolit Ngata gets doubled either Arthur Jones or Pharnell McPhee have a 1 on 1 chance.... etc. Watch any other 34 d-line.

Soooo we should draft a D-lineman in the first round? Just kidding.

**notorious** · 12-07-2012, 08:56 PM

It's ****ing depressing to think that an entire cycle of draft picks is coming to and end and they did jack shit.

mcaj22 · 12-07-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You have to be one of the most jaded twisted posters here as far as the Chiefs organization goes.

You realize that makes no sense right? Its $14MM whether you spend it on a TJ or somebody else.

Clark - "Hey guys I don't want to spend $14MM on any good players this off season so keep TJ around to keep us closer to the salary floor even though sucks balls".

Yea, OK a so called cheap owner likes to just flush $ down the drain. That makes sense.

Do you have any idea what kind of player you could get for a $14MM signing bonus and reasonable yearly salary? No they will pay TJ $14MM for 1 season to prevent that.

Secondly Pioli is going to be gone so no ties to Jackson anyway.

you do realize that teams have to spend 90 some percent of the cap next season right and Pioli clearly positioned the books and players, his players cap hits next season to do just that.

Jackson, Hali, Flowers, etc all take a nice bump in contract to reach that cap spending for 2013.

of course Jackson could be cut like Cassel, but the point remains Pioli positioned that 14 million hit so he doesnt have to do much spending other than his bargin bin FAs.

And before you even say anything about the owner spending 14 million on Jackson, Pioli sold Clark on spending 60 million on Matt Cassel, so dont tell me he cant sell Clark on using a 14 million hit on Jackson and him being a 3rd overall pick as reason to keep him around. Because he can, because its Fat Scott Ego Pioli.

RunKC · 12-08-2012, 12:12 AM

I wouldn't mind keeping Tyson Jackson next year and see how he does in a 1 gap only if he does a major restructuring deal.

He's got power and a little speed. Maybe a new system could do him good. If he stays for like 5 million and it doesn't work, then cut him.

Sorter · 12-08-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I wouldn't mind keeping Tyson Jackson next year and see how he does in a 1 gap only if he does a major restructuring deal.

He's got power and a little speed. Maybe a new system could do him good. If he stays for like 5 million and it doesn't work, then cut him.

5M is way too much.

If you can't get him to sign for league min, you move on. IMO

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2012, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

go **** yourself.

just remember what you have said here when you are pimping some slapdick that gets some coverage sacks.

You're a ****ing clown.

You don't agree with me. You think Tyson Jackson deserves credit for that sack. And you got caught with your pants down, and now you're backpedaling.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I wouldn't mind keeping Tyson Jackson next year and see how he does in a 1 gap only if he does a major restructuring deal.

He's got power and a little speed. Maybe a new system could do him good. If he stays for like 5 million and it doesn't work, then cut him.

Do you watch Tyson Jackson play? His athletic ability is shit. He looks like he has concrete shoes on.

He needs to go somewhere and be a backup.

Sorter · 12-08-2012, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Do you watch Tyson Jackson play? His athletic ability is shit. He looks like he has concrete shoes on.

He needs to go somewhere and be a backup.

**SAUTO** · 12-08-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

You're a ****ing clown.

You don't agree with me. You think Tyson Jackson deserves credit for that sack. And you got caught with your pants down, and now you're backpedaling.

You're right. I don't agree with you.

He most definitely deserves credit for a sack that he made.

There was never a back pedal anywhere dipshit
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scho63 · 12-08-2012, 08:12 AM

Amazing how a stiff top pick who has been a bust suddenly comes to life as he nears the end of a contract.

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