Peter King: Scouts not impressed with 2013 QB class

[Sorter]

Not at all. Barkley has struggled for most of this year though. Just throwing that out there really to highlight your point. Every QB is going to have bad games. When evaluating them, you ned to see what they consistently do wrong and then determine if it can be corrected.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Not at all. Barkley has struggled for most of this year though. Just throwing that out there really to highlight your point. Every QB is going to have bad games. When evaluating them, you ned to see what they consistently do wrong and then determine if it can be corrected.

Barkley may have truly ****ed himself by staying one more year. He certainly would have been taken before Tannehill and may have given the Shanahan's a second thought about trading up.

That said, USC has some serious flaws. The loss of scholarships is really hitting them hard this year and they've clearly not ascended.

Barkley will be fine. Much like Matt Ryan, he's somewhat of a product of those around him.

I don't know nearly enough about Smith to say the same but to date, I am supremely unimpressed with CP's latest obsession.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Barkley may have truly ****ed himself by staying one more year. He certainly would have been taken before Tannehill and may have given the Shanahan's a second thought about trading up.

That said, USC has some serious flaws. The loss of scholarships is really hitting them hard this year and they've clearly not ascended.

Barkley will be fine. Much like Matt Ryan, he's somewhat of a product of those around him.

I don't know nearly enough about Smith to say the same but to date, I am supremely unimpressed with CP's latest obsession.

I'm extremely ignorant to Barkley, so please be gentle here, but what separates Barkley from the other system QB's that USC has produced?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I'm extremely ignorant to Barkley, so please be gentle here, but what separates Barkley from the other system QB's that USC has produced?

He's been a four year starter under terrible circumstances. USC has lost 15 scholarships per year since the Reggie Bush sanctions three years ago and all that USC has done is win and win big.

He's thrown 102 passes and 39 interceptions. He's not a one year starter like Sanchez or a NO YEAR starter like Cassel.

I think he compares favorably at this point to Matty Ryan, although USC has their biggest test ahead, Bowl season and of course, the Combines ahead.

The final determination of Barkley is still in play.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's been a four year starter under terrible circumstances. USC has lost 15 scholarships per year since the Reggie Bush sanctions three years ago and all that USC has done is win and win big.

He's thrown 102 passes and 39 interceptions. He's not a one year starter like Sanchez or a NO YEAR starter like Cassel.

I think he compares favorably at this point to Matty Ryan, although USC has their biggest test ahead, Bowl season and of course, the Combines ahead.

The final determination of Barkley is still in play.

Out of curiosity, if you had to rate your favorites for this draft class, how would the order stack up?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Out of curiosity, if you had to rate your favorites for this draft class, how would the order stack up?

Dude, I really can't make a determination because it's so early in the season. Many teams have their toughest games ahead plus Bowl season, so everything could change.

Heading into the season, Barkley was the considered the best QB in the country and I haven't seen anything to change that so far, even though he's had some "bad" games.

IMO, the guy that was hurt the most was Wilson. Petrino made him look like a superstar, so in a way, that may be a blessing in disguise, although I do think he has potential.

I wouldn't touch Bray right now with a 30 foot pole.

Again, it's early and IMO, really too early to be making any sort of judgments about the #1 or #2 overall pick.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IMO, the guy that was hurt the most was Wilson. Petrino made him look like a superstar, so in a way, that may be a blessing in disguise, although I do think he has potential.

I wouldn't touch Bray right now with a 30 foot pole.

Again, it's early and IMO, really too early to be making any sort of judgments about the #1 or #2 overall pick.

That's actually a pretty good call on Wilson.

He's been substandard since Petrino got the boot.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's been a four year starter under terrible circumstances. USC has lost 15 scholarships per year since the Reggie Bush sanctions three years ago and all that USC has done is win and win big.

He's thrown 102 passes and 39 interceptions. He's not a one year starter like Sanchez or a NO YEAR starter like Cassel.

I think he compares favorably at this point to Matty Ryan, although USC has their biggest test ahead, Bowl season and of course, the Combines ahead.

The final determination of Barkley is still in play.

The comparison to Matt Ryan is what worries me.

To this point in the NFL, he's been exactly what several people thought he would be - steady but unspectacular. Surround by superior talent, he hasn't managed to win a single playoff game.

Matt Ryan has a chance to erase all of those worries this season. But what if this is his ceiling? My worry with Barkley is that he just doesn't have "it".

I guess beggars can't be choosers.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Matt Ryan has a chance to erase all of those worries this season. But what if this is his ceiling? My worry with Barkley is that he just doesn't have "it".

I guess beggars can't be choosers.

What is IT? Not being a wise guy. I know your favorite is Geno, so what does he have that is IT?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

What is IT? Not being a wise guy. I know your favorite is Geno, so what does he have that is IT?

To be fair, I'm not sure Geno has "it" either.

What I see in Barkley is a guy that has a really low ceiling for a top-rated QB. He doesnt' have the "clutch" stuff that just makes you say wow.

What he is is solid and steady. Which is great if you want to recreate what the Falcons or Chargers have done the last few years.

Myself, I want to win a Super Bowl and Barkley just doesn't seem to have that spark of being able to take a team on his back and will them to a win.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think he compares favorably at this point to Matty Ryan, although USC has their biggest test ahead, Bowl season and of course, the Combines ahead.

The final determination of Barkley is still in play.

Matt Ryan was/is a strong leader. Barkley hasn't shown that yet. He's not Matt Ryan. He doesn't have that kind of command. I see people taking the most important qualitites for granted way too much around here lately.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Matt Ryan was/is a strong leader. Barkley hasn't shown that yet. He's not Matt Ryan. He doesn't have that kind of command. I see people taking the most important qualitites for granted way too much around here lately.

LOL, how in the hell would you or anyone else posting on a message board know that?

This is the shit I hate about discussing QB draftees. All the subjective bullshit that idiots claim are facts.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

LOL, how in the hell would you or anyone else posting on a message board know that?

This is the shit I hate about discussing QB draftees. All the subjective bullshit that idiots claim are facts.

Yep. Can we all agree to stop talking about what kind of leader so & so QB prospect is? There's no F-ing way we can know that without being in that locker room or without being around the guy.

That kind of stuff we'll just have to leave up to coaches or scouts who have had close contact with them.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Matt Ryan was/is a strong leader. Barkley hasn't shown that yet. He's not Matt Ryan.

how is it possible be as ****ing stupid as you are every day of your worthless life?

a freshman Barkley beat a top 10 ohio state on the road in his second game ever...leading a game winning drive and converting a two point conversion

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=292550194

The official stats will call it a 14-play, 86-yard drive, but it really started with USC at its own 5, facing a second-and-19 with 6:09 left in the game.

Suddenly, an offense stymied and held scoreless all second half by a hard-charging Ohio State defense came alive.

"He was scared, really," McKnight said with a laugh about his quarterback. "No, he came in with the same composure he had the whole game. He was calm. He made plays."

He went toe to toe with Luck last year and only lost in triple OT because his RB fumbled in the endzone...he came back this year to lead a team that is suspended due to recruiting violations...

but our resident knuckle dragging moron black reerun doesn't think he's ever displayed leadership?

find a shotgun and please for love of everything holy shoot yourself...what did we do to deserve this curse?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

how is it possible be as ****ing stupid as you are every day of your worthless life?

a freshman Barkley beat a top 10 ohio state on the road in his second game ever...leading a game winning drive and converting a two point conversion

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=292550194


He went toe to toe with Luck last year and only lost in triple OT because his RB fumbled in the endzone...he came back this year to lead a team that is suspended due to recruiting violations...

but our resident knuckle dragging moron black reerun doesn't think he's ever displayed leadership?

find a shotgun and please for love of everything holy shoot yourself...what did we do to deserve this curse?

Barkley and Smith both look like QBs with potential to succeed in the NFL. The biggest knock I can see on them is that they are NOT Luck or RGIII. This is hurting their draft stock more than anything else. Had they come out any year but this one, they would be getting praise instead of doubts.