AJ McCarron vs LSU

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

McCarron did the one thing the others have not yesterday. I liked what I saw. So many NFL games come down to the last two minutes and McCarron did it against the #1 secondary in college football yesterday.

He did it against a prevent defense.

If he sucks for 58 minutes against an NFL quality opponent, that last 2 minutes is just Matt Cassel garbage time.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by milkman

He did it against a prevent defense.

If he sucks for 58 minutes against an NFL quality opponent, that last 2 minutes is just Matt Cassel garbage time.

Horseshit. That stadium is the toughest place to play in - in the USA. Especially at night when the cajuns have been drinking since 9:00 A.M. The TD came from an excellent blitz read by McCarron. Don't try and minimize it Geno ball sucker.

I'm not saying we should take McCarron #1 but, I am saying Geno doesn't do that kind of thing. He hasn't shown he has it in him. How many NFL games come down to the end?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Horseshit. That stadium is the toughest place to play in - in the USA. Especially at night when the cajuns have been drinking since 9:00 A.M. The TD came from an excellent blitz read by McCarron. Don't try and minimize it Geno ball sucker.

I'm not saying we should take McCarron #1 but, I am saying Geno doesn't do that kind of thing. He hasn't shown he has it in him. How many NFL games come down to the end?

Prevent is prevent, dumbass. Just because Les Miles is a reerun doesn't mean McCarron was brilliant against all odds last night.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Horseshit. That stadium is the toughest place to play in - in the USA. Especially at night when the cajuns have been drinking since 9:00 A.M. The TD came from an excellent blitz read by McCarron. Don't try and minimize it Geno ball sucker.

I'm not saying we should take McCarron #1 but, I am saying Geno doesn't do that kind of thing. He hasn't shown he has it in him. How many NFL games come down to the end?

I am not going to spend a top 10 pick on a mediocre game manager.

That is McCarron's ceiling.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by milkman

I am not going to spend a top 10 pick on a mediocre game manager.

That is McCarron's ceiling.

No it isn't. Only a dumbass would say that, milkman.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

No it isn't. Only a dumbass would say that, milkman.

You call me when McCarron actually does something.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by milkman

You call me when McCarron actually does something.

What does that even mean, milkman? Do you want evidence of him making NFL throws, showing off NFL tangibles? Then watch any Alabama game from this current season that wasn't last night's game against LSU. Do you want evidence of him making tight throws and good decisions against an incredible defense in a high-stakes situation? Watch the 2011 BCS championship game.

To say his ceiling -- a term used for the highest level of play that a player can possibly achieve -- is a mediocre game manager is just flat-out incorrect.

In my opinion, I see his ceiling as a Matt Schaub-like QB.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

What does that even mean, milkman? Do you want evidence of him making NFL throws, showing off NFL tangibles? Then watch any Alabama game from this current season that wasn't last night's game against LSU. Do you want evidence of him making tight throws and good decisions against an incredible defense in a high-stakes situation? Watch the 2011 BCS championship game.

To say his ceiling -- a term used for the highest level of play that a player can possibly achieve -- is a mediocre game manager is just flat-out incorrect.

In my opinion, I see his ceiling as a Matt Schaub-like QB.

I had forgotten about him being total nails in that BCS game.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

What does that even mean, milkman? Do you want evidence of him making NFL throws, showing off NFL tangibles? Then watch any Alabama game from this current season that wasn't last night's game against LSU. Do you want evidence of him making tight throws and good decisions against an incredible defense in a high-stakes situation? Watch the 2011 BCS championship game.

To say his ceiling -- a term used for the highest level of play that a player can possibly achieve -- is a mediocre game manager is just flat-out incorrect.

In my opinion, I see his ceiling as a Matt Schaub-like QB.

Trent Dilfer was outstanding in the 2000 SB against the Giants, and came up with some huge plays in the playoffs in that SB run.

Total body of work tells us he was a mediocre game manager.

That is AJ McCarron's body of work.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by milkman

You call me when McCarron actually does something.

Not to piss on your parade, but he DID win the National Championship last year... And was named Offensive MVP of that game.

I'm not a McCarron pimp... just saying..

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by milkman

I am not going to spend a top 10 pick on a mediocre game manager.

That is McCarron's ceiling.

Maybe he is a game manager but he did something Geno and most of the others have not. Also, did you watch Tannehill on the final drive of that Indy game yesterday? He was terrible on that drive. The difference in that game yesterday was that Luck was "clutch" and Tannehill was not. This is exactly why I prayed we wouldn't draft Tannehill. He never stepped up in college in those big games and big moments. Does that sound familiar? So many NFL games come down to the end. We better get a QB who can close the deal or we are spinning our wheels.

Furthermore, how do you know you aren't going to spend a first round pick on a game manager? You say you look for pocket awareness and accuracy but, don't the majority of first round quarterbacks have those qualities? There is only a 30% chance a first round QB will be successful. We need someone with more than those two characteristics because it's about alot more than that.

I was never trying to say that we should take McCarron in the first. I'm just saying what he did is what I am looking for the most in quarterbacks. Guys like Russell Wilson, Joe Montana, and Tom Brady did the same thing in college. It is what matters the most. It's about making the play when it has to be made. It's about taking the team on your shoulders.

If your QB can't do this, you aren't going far in the NFL. If we take a first round QB, he better be able to do this imo.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Maybe he is a game manager but he did something Geno and most of the others have not. Also, did you watch Tannehill on the final drive of that Indy game yesterday? He was terrible on that drive. The difference in that game yesterday was that Luck was "clutch" and Tannehill was not. This is exactly why I prayed we wouldn't draft Tannehill. He never stepped up in college in those big games and big moments. Does that sound familiar? So many NFL games come down to the end. We better get a QB who can close the deal or we are spinning our wheels.

Furthermore, how do you know you aren't going to spend a first round pick on a game manager? You say you look for pocket awareness and accuracy but, don't the majority of first round quarterbacks have those qualities? There is only a 30% chance a first round QB will be successful. We need someone with more than those two characteristics because it's about alot more than that.

I was never trying to say that we should take McCarron in the first. I'm just saying what he did is what I am looking for the most in quarterbacks. Guys like Russell Wilson, Joe Montana, and Tom Brady did the same thing in college. It is what matters the most. It's about making the play when it has to be made. It's about taking the team on your shoulders.

If your QB can't do this, you aren't going far in the NFL. If we take a first round QB, he better be able to do this imo.

Russell Wilson rarely ever was the one to make "the play" in college. He's the QB who had "the play" made against him. All the time. I didn't give a shit about that, but it was concerning that I had never seen him be the edgy slippery guy who made the game-winning drive in the last seconds.

Oh, and McCarron was playing against a prevent zone, you dumbass.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by SNR

Russell Wilson rarely ever was the one to make "the play" in college. He's the QB who had "the play" made against him. All the time. I didn't give a shit about that, but it was concerning that I had never seen him be the edgy slippery guy who made the game-winning drive in the last seconds.

Oh, and McCarron was playing against a prevent zone, you dumbass.

Did you watch Wilson in the Big 10 Championship game when you evalutated him last year? I figured that one would have been pretty important to most people when going through the scouting process...

Also, are you sure LSU played a prevent defense at the end of that game the other night? Sorry man but, you and Milkman are straight up wrong. Watch the tape below and you'll see that LSU called the prevent once.

On the first play, LSU blitzed the nickelback

On the second play, LSU blitzed the nickel and dime backs

On the third play, LSU blitzed a LB and the dime back

On the 4th play, LSU called the prevent. However, McCarron threw it deep and the pass was on the money. The WR tripped or it would have been a TD. DESPITE THE PREVENT.

On the 5th play, the nickelback, dimeback, and a LB blitzed.

The bottom line is that they brought the ****ing house in the loudest stadium in the country (college or pro) and McCarron picked them apart.



I know you love Geno but, quit making shit up. He hasn't done this shit.