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Old 08-26-2012, 07:57 AM   #1
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He thinks is so smart and that he can revolutionize the game or something. There is a reason the rest of the league did it one way.
Boy are you ever right. I mean think of the audacity of some of these know it all coaches that think they know something the rest of the league isn't doing. Those morans with the "West Coast" offense I mean WTF was that? And the Forward pass? Stupid. If you don't run up the middle you aren't playing football thats arena football.
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Old 08-26-2012, 07:59 AM   #2
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Boy are you ever right. I mean think of the audacity of some of these know it all coaches that think they know something the rest of the league isn't doing. Those morans with the "West Coast" offense I mean WTF was that? And the Forward pass? Stupid. If you don't run up the middle you aren't playing football thats arena football.
Yep, but the point is that Haley isn't one of those guys. He is no where near being one of those guys. That's what makes it funny. He's a legend in his own mind.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:12 AM   #3
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Boy are you ever right. I mean think of the audacity of some of these know it all coaches that think they know something the rest of the league isn't doing. Those morans with the "West Coast" offense I mean WTF was that? And the Forward pass? Stupid. If you don't run up the middle you aren't playing football thats arena football.
Not to defend Bob, but this whole "Bill Walsh was an innovative genius" is utter bullshit.

He simply took the short passing game of Sid Gillman's offense and made it the base offense for the 9ers, and Hank Stram's "offense of the 70s" was essentially the same offense, with the added wrinkle of the moving pocket.

Sid Gillman was the last true innovator in the NFL.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:14 AM   #4
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Not to defend Bob, but this whole "Bill Walsh was an innovative genius" is utter bullshit.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:20 AM   #5
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Not to defend Bob, but this whole "Bill Walsh was an innovative genius" is utter bullshit.

He simply took the short passing game of Sid Gillman's offense and made it the base offense for the 9ers, and Hank Stram's "offense of the 70s" was essentially the same offense, with the added wrinkle of the moving pocket.

Sid Gillman was the last true innovator in the NFL.
No such claim was made, Walsh adopted a new system at the time that no one was using and won SBs with it. Gilman just used the forward pass that had been used before. Plenty of short passes had been thrown before Gilman so by your definition he didn't innovate anything either. Genius in the NFL is doing something that isn't commonly in use and surprising your opponents with something they haven't seen. Thats the only genius that was claimed.
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No such claim was made, he adopted a new system at the time that no one was using and won SBs with it. Gilman just used the forward pass that had been used before. Plenty of short passes had been thrown before Gilman so by your definition he didn't innovate anything either. Genius in the NFL is doing something that isn't commonly in use and surprising your opponents with something they haven't seen. Thats the only genius that was claimed.
Gillman took a rudimentary passig game that had two or three routes, and expanded it.

He created the full route tree that is used by the NFL today, and he made the TE a part of the passing game.
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No such claim was made, Walsh adopted a new system at the time that no one was using and won SBs with it. Gilman just used the forward pass that had been used before. Plenty of short passes had been thrown before Gilman so by your definition he didn't innovate anything either. Genius in the NFL is doing something that isn't commonly in use and surprising your opponents with something they haven't seen. Thats the only genius that was claimed.
Wow.... just wow.

Gillman practically invented the modern passing game.

His practice routines and film study are also commonly used today. He's a huge innovator.
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