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Joe Satriani Sues Coldplay for Plagiarism
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/160...coldplay.jhtml
Dec 5 2008 9:27 AM EST Coldplay Sued By Joe Satriani For Allegedly Plagiarizing 'Viva La Vida' Melody Guitarist claims the Grammy-nominated song is a rip-off of his track 'If I Could Fly.' By Gil Kaufman Not long after Coldplay's Viva la Vida album hit shelves this summer, the blogosphere exploded with suggestions that the title track bore a striking resemblance to a 2004 instrumental track by rock guitarist Joe Satriani titled "If I Could Fly." Now, Satriani has accused the band of copyright infringement in a lawsuit filed on Thursday in Los Angeles federal court, according to a Reuters report. A day after the Coldplay album was nominated for seven Grammys, including Record and Song of the Year for "Viva la Vida," Satriani's suit claims that "Viva" incorporates "substantial original portions" of his track "If I Could Fly," from the Is There Love in Space? album. |
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I believe the CA courts have adopted the far more strict definition provided earlier, though I'll need to see the citation first. |
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There's no way in hell they'd have staked their entire case on that one particular theory of recovery. They'd have also provided the standard inference arguments as alternate theories which they could fall back on. As for your other post - it cuts both ways. If you were certain you didn't plagerize and you were a 'megaband' wouldn't you be eager to prove it in court? Like I said, if the evidence involved didn't at least put a scare into Coldplay's counsel, there's no way they'd have settled it. Would it have been enough to support a verdict? Obviously we'll never know, but there had to be something substantial there in order to survive pre-trial dispositive motions and draw a settlement offer that appears to be significantly more than a mere nuisance settlement. |
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Its from 76. But the "ordinary person" test that Left Nut WRONGLY called my law class out on still exists according to the link I posted (from a quick google search)
Though the case is old, I believe the basic elements are still alive today, being: (1) Access (i.e. ColdPlay has heard the song) and (2) substantial similarity to an ordinary listener Experts are heavily used to determine which parts may have been infringed and how close they are, etc. But the test the jury is to use is whether to an ordinary person they sound substantially similar. Dane, I never disputed that access was a requirement. citation is: 420 F.Supp. 177 |
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I mentioned this very early in this thread. Case law has now evolved to the point that Joe Satriani would have to prove that Coldplay heard his song before releasing their song. Otherwise, it's case dismissed. |
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1 was important at that time too. The "He's so Fine" song was so popular the court took for granted that Harrison had heard it. But wasn't Coldplay at one of Satriani's shows or something???
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Are you still attempting to assert that this can only be provenvia direct evidence? Because that's absolutely not true. In Vassar's case, that's what they attempted to do, but it's certainly not the only way to go about it. As I spent several posts trying to show you the first time around, this can be 'proven' via inference. I think it's far FAR more than 10% likely that a jury would hear these two songs played together and infer that Coldplay ripped the song from Satriani. |
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Here's more from that Scott and Scott website:
"Courts use the substantial similarity test to determine the net impression of the ordinary observer and to decide whether a reasonable, ordinary juror could find, based on the “overall look and feel” of the relevant expressive elements, that the two works are substantially similar." Dane, you might be right about Satriani being unable to prove access, but if Satriani could show that Coldplay heard the song, these two are definitely similar enough to cause a problem legally, IMO. |
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Has this standard been adopted by the California courts? I don't believe it has been. The Southern District of NY has absolutely no say in what standard to apply here. My recollection is that the standard in California is an intentional misappropriation standard. In which case, the ordinary person standard is inapplicable. |
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I was just making a quick point since I thought it was funny we had just studied this briefly. You called out my class saying there couldn't possibly be an ordinary person standard. Obviously, that standard exists in an least some jurisdictions. I'm going to bed, lol. |
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