John Sherman's Wife Makes Stunning Declaration on Royals/Chiefs Future

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Yes I do, bro, and like you say a "great ROI". Yay capitalism! If KCians vioted down every public-private partnership project, donwtown woulld stilll be a ghost town, our airport would still be on par with Dwight D. Eiesenhower airport, and both the Chiefs and Rs would have already left because they couldn't make improvements decades ago when it was originally passed. I guess it all depends on what kind of city you want to live in.

Do you even work, bro?

Those are legit projects.

Stadiums are an economic ripoff for cities. The plutocrats behind stadium scams vastly inflate revenue projections and intentionally understate annual maintenance costs.

But ignore empirical evidence like a dumb ****ing sheep if that helps you sleep at night.

Oh, and I have a finance degree and worked in the industry prior to grad school.

[Katipan]

It takes 13 blocks of parking to facilitate Coors.

I dunno guys.
Its alot of necessary space.

But.
Downtown is packed even with a shit show on the field. That's what a Downtown stadium does.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Katipan

It takes 13 blocks of parking to facilitate Coors.

I dunno guys.
Its alot of necessary space.

But.
Downtown is packed even with a shit show on the field. That's what a Downtown stadium does.

Downtown St. Louis today has a Cardinals game, Battlehawks UFL game, and St. Louis City MLS game.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Downtown St. Louis today has a Cardinals game, Battlehawks UFL game, and St. Louis City MLS game.

Downtown StL is one step up from Escape from NY.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Downtown St. Louis today has a Cardinals game, Battlehawks UFL game, and St. Louis City MLS game.

Anyone taking your family down there is a fool....unless you pay 100 to park It's become such a cesspool.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Anyone taking your family down there is a fool....unless you pay 100 to park It's become such a cesspool.

I was downtown for business last week. It was like $12 to park for 3 hours.

I’m sure it’s higher closer to Ballpark Village.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Skyy God

Those are legit projects.

Stadiums are an economic ripoff for cities. The plutocrats behind the stadium scam vastly inflate revenue projections and intentionally understate annual maintenance costs.

But ignore empirical data evidence like a dumb ****ing sheep if that helps you sleep at night.

Oh, and I have a finance degree and worked in the industry.

All may be true, but it also true that other areas/cities are more than ready to step up to the plate. So it's a decision for the citizens. Do you want to live in a city without baseball?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

All may be true, but it also true that other areas/cities are more than ready to step up to the plate. So it's a decision for the citizens. Do you want to live in a city without baseball?

Yeah, sometimes you have to rise above your own principles and figure out if it's really what you want... billionaires will keep being billionaires, but is it worth $140/year to have a football team in town while driving around those unrepaired potholes.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, sometimes you have to rise above your own principles and figure out if it's really what you want... billionaires will keep being billionaires, but is it worth $140/year to have a football team in town while driving around those unrepaired potholes.

Those unrepaired potholes will remain if a football team is there or not.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, sometimes you have to rise above your own principles and figure out if it's really what you want... billionaires will keep being billionaires, but is it worth $140/year to have a football team in town while driving around those unrepaired potholes.

Lol the funny thing is that isn't not even remotely close to $140/yr for most people. For people to pay $140/yr in these taxes they'd have to spend $37,500 in Jackson County stores. It's much closer to like $30-60 per household.

The stupid things that the Royals and Chiefs let get out as truths and never responded or corrected them was the downfall of this vote. They did a half ass job.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Lol the funny thing is that isn't not even remotely close to $140/yr for most people. For people to pay $140/yr in these taxes they'd have to spend $37,500 in Jackson County stores. It's much closer to like $30-60 per household.

The stupid things that the Royals and Chiefs let get out as truths and never responded or corrected them was the downfall of this vote. They did a half ass job.

The Chiefs didn't want it to pass, that should be evident at this point...

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Skyy God

Those are legit projects.

Stadiums are an economic ripoff for cities. The plutocrats behind the stadium scam vastly inflate revenue projections and intentionally understate annual maintenance costs.

But ignore empirical data evidence like a dumb ****ing sheep if that helps you sleep at night.

Oh, and I have a finance degree and worked in the industry.

Appeal to authority fallacies are terrible, especially when you are debating someone with a few semesters of Finance in Grad School that has developed real estate ; )

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Appeal to authority fallacies are terrible, especially when you are debating someone with a few semesters of Finance in Grad School that has developed real estate ; )

So you got nothing.

Figures.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Skyy God

So you got nothing.

Figures.

Nothing you'd understand, anyway. If you think the Street Car and P&L projects are legit (KC has picked up $160mm of the P&L tab, and the Street Car has no revenue and maintenance has already blown out original figures) but the stadiums "are not" legit because you don't like baseball, then there is nothing more to discuss.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Skyy God

Those are legit projects.

Stadiums are an economic ripoff for cities. The plutocrats behind the stadium scam vastly inflate revenue projections and intentionally understate annual maintenance costs.

But ignore empirical data evidence like a dumb ****ing sheep if that helps you sleep at night.

Oh, and I have a finance degree and worked in the industry.

Not The Battery in Atlanta which is a mixed-use development as part of the Braves new stadium.

Taxable property values in the area have risen from $5 million to $736 million during the past decade.

$38 million in tax revenue generated for the county/city/state.

The development has attracted major business ventures such as Papa John’s global HQ relocating to be in the development.

You are against that type of economic development/impact?