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But the proof is in the pudding: Watch one hour of The Avengers, then one hour of Captain America: Winter Soldier and it's immediately clear that Whedon's work was subpar. The Russo's showed us what the MCU could be while Whedon just showed us what we knew already. |
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2 is worse than 3. 2 undercut so much of what 1 established it was a rough watch. It’s more believable that he’d have problems dealing post avengers than partying your life away after what he did in 1. Similar levels of hokey. Neither is unwatchable. Not great, not unwatchable. JMO. |
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I don't know if anything can surpass Casino Royale imo. I love most Bond films so count me in, I was more wishing for Tom Hardy as Wolverine but Bond would be a good watch too.
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09-23-2020, 01:24 PM | #34 | |
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It's a damn shame that Pierce Brosnan wasn't given the same quality of script and production values because I think if he had, he'd be the 2nd best Bond of all time, next to Sean Connery. |
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09-23-2020, 01:33 PM | #35 | |
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1) People who will defend Iron Man 2 2) People who will defend Iron Man 3 And there's really not a ton of overlap. I liked 2 and a lot of folks really don't. I thought 3 was just god-awful, but some people enjoy it. Something about the difference in tones between the 2 movies has created a weird little venn diagram where the circles just barely overlap.
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That said, I liked it much, much better in the chronological context, which also made Thor 2 a much better movie than watching it as a stand-alone, at least for me. I think there's something to be said about watching them in chronological order because as you mentioned, there was a tonal shift between Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 that as stand-alones, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But when viewing chronologically, it totally makes sense, as things were growing much darker with the impending alien invasion. |
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I remember for awhile thinking I sounded clever by saying that Lazenby could've been great. Then I watched OHMSS again several years ago....jesus he was bad. I'm fiercely anti-Moore but Lazenby was definitely worse. And like you, I think Brosnan got some bad movies to work with but man, those last couple were just SO bad that it's hard to really separate how awful they were from him. I know it wasn't really his fault, but the captain goes down with the ship, Pierce. Those movies were so bad that had Craig not been absolutely brilliant, the whole franchise could be done by now.
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Moore was a product of that era. Most of those movies are bad or pure cheese now. For Your Eyes Only is probably the best of those Moore movies.
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This is certainly true, but it is also why I'd think EON would try to emulate that in some fashion.
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As long as he isn't ANYTHING like Roger Moore......Good lord he was bad...
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20+ movies that probably average right at 2 hours each. I expect there are several lists on the internet that establish the chronology and since I have Disney+, maybe I should give it a shot. But that's gonna take me months I suspect and I wonder if you can't knock all them out in a couple of weeks if it doesn't take away from the direct timeline impact. It would be similar to setting a book down and picking it back up a couple months later - I feel like you'd lose the progression a bit.
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Now I won't say he could've ever elevated Die Another Day to even tolerable - but man, The World Is Not Enough shouldn't have been THAT bad. Which makes me wonder if Brosnan isn't a system QB of sorts. He's as good as the movie he's in. Whereas Craig is a Franchise QB - he can elevate the product around him. He couldn't have made World Is Not Enough into Skyfall, but it wouldn't have been THAT bad either. His VORB (Value Over Replacement Bond) is like 30% over league average. Where Brosnan's is like, maybe 10%. I don't know that you can necessarily judge Brosnan by his worst effort, but you can kinda look at his sub-par one and say "man, a better Bond does more with this..."
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But I swear, once it gets going, none of us wanted to even go to sleep and all we could talk about the following day was how excited we were to watch the next movie. It was just a fantastic experience and really, a bonding experience for me and my daughters because we could all share our favorite parts, moments and movies when it was all done. We watched every movie in less than 23 days. Here are the movies in order: 1 Captain America: The First Avenger (WWII) 2 Captain Marvel (1995) 3 Iron Man (2010) 4 Iron Man 2 (2011) 5 Thor (2011.6) 7 The Avengers (2012) 8 Iron Man 3 (2013) 9 Thor: Dark World (2014) 10 Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014.3) 11 Guardians of the Galaxy (2014.4) 12 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2014.9) 13 Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015.6) 14 Ant-Man (2015.8) 15 Captain America: Civil War (2016) 16 Spider-Man: Homecoming (2016.5) 17 Doctor Strange (2016.7) 18 Black Panther (2017.1) 19 Thor: Ragnarok (2017.3) 20 Avengers: Infinity War (2017.5) 21 Ant-Man and The Wasp (2017.5 - it happens nearly simultaneously as Infinity Wars but watch it after) 22 Avengers: Endgame (Begins in 2017, ends in 2022) 23 Spider-Man: Far From Home (post-Endgame) |
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Feige was a huge Marvel fan, and an even bigger Star Wars fan, whereas the Broccoli offspring are just picking up where their Dad left off and just trying to carry the torch. I don't think we'll ever see something like the Marvel Cinematic Universe in another film series, ever again, although I do hope that the next iteration of Star Wars will at least attempt to make a singular vision into a spate of well connected and well conceived films. But 23 and counting? I just can't see that happening. |
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I wonder if Shane Black sits around in bars drunk off his ass telling people he was an actor in the first Predator movie and was a director in the MCU for free drinks, lol.
To be fair, IM3 grew on me after repeated viewings. Still a level or three below the original and the other MCU stuff, but enjoyable. |
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