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*****The Kahlil Mackenzie Thread*****
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05-01-2018, 08:03 AM | #121 |
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Neither do most 6th round picks.
I feel like you can’t grasp what I’m saying by “relative to the 6th”, either that or you’re just an idiot today Anyways, our GM clearly feels this a high upside pick and he’s definitely done way more homework on this guy than anybody on CP. |
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But they took a DL in the 6th round and plan to convert him to guard. It's a decent place to take him I suppose in that if it doesn't work out, oh well. |
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05-01-2018, 08:11 AM | #123 |
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The chances of taking a guy that doesn't need a position change would be higher though. It's not like they took a DE and are asking him to stand up some.
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People act like playing guard is rocket surgery. He may be good at it or he may be bad at it, but if he has a brain and can learn protections, the learning curve isn't exactly monumental.
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I think we can agree that taking a guy that's played QB and asking him to play WR is a little different. Hell, even those guys don't normally hit very quickly and take a while to develop if they do. They usually end up being a gimmicky WR, running screens or go routes. It's a 6th round pick. It's not likely whoever they took would work out, but if they wanted a guard, I would have preferred to take a guard. Just from a contractual value standpoint, it's not likely he plays much or does much this year. Say he plays next year some as a backup/swing type guy, then in year three does become a starter. You've used up the value of the contract on development. |
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05-01-2018, 08:17 AM | #126 |
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He is big and strong and athletic, it would be awesome if it clicks and he's a legit LG.
Just seems these experiments don't work out so often. |
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05-01-2018, 10:26 AM | #127 |
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The guy who scouted him on his pro day saw him line up as a guard and do better than the guards that were being showcased.
A DT knows a lot about how to play guard because they go up against guards most every play. Given who his father is, he won't be a quitter. 6th round guards have a low ceiling. Maybe this guy is worth a chance to show a higher ceiling if you put him on the practice squad for a year. I'm not troubled. There are plenty of free agent guards available that could be brought in for a look if this guy does not exhibit potential. |
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05-01-2018, 10:32 AM | #128 |
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Listen to the Chiefs scout talk about Mackenzie. The video is on the Chiefs website, and the link was posted somewhere in this thread. I'm too lazy to find it right now, though. In any case, yes, physical traits are a huge part of the upside, but they're not the entire story.
And let's say it IS about the physical traits. Okay. Why are you drafting Antwaan Randel-El and moving him to WR first thing? Wouldn't it just be easier to draft a WR? Oh, he's fast and shifty? That's a physical skill WRs have to be able to do? You're telling me there aren't other fast and shifty WRs the Steelers could have drafted in the 4th round those many years ago? Like I said, I wouldn't have drafted Mackenzie, much less traded up for him. I think the upside on that C we got as an UDFA from Holy Cross has more upside than Mackenzie-- that guy overcoming playing only against Sisters of the Poor State University is probably a more likely outcome than Mackenzie overcoming the position and skill switch. But I'm not going to say this was a dumb pick when that's exactly what 6th round picks are for. |
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You keep speaking in vagueries about 'A' player. They didn't say, let's take A Dlineman and convert him to a guard. They looked at all the players available and felt MacKenzie had the highest ceiling, and the highest ceiling for that player was as a guard.
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The entire front office staff is jerking off over this pick. They love that they got him, and they are geeking out like he was a top 15 pick.
Yeah, they have the caveats like "learning curve," and are preaching patience, but you can tell they are absolutely thrilled they have him. |
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Worst case scenario we cut him and send a loud clear **** you and your family to both Reggie and Khalil, then stock pile picks 8 years from now to do it wit the next son.
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So worst case scenario they took a defensive line guy right where he should be. He's a 6th defensive line pick or a 1st offensive guard pick. If guard doesn't work out he still has the same percentage chance to make the team as a DL.
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They've been successful with late round OL. But they were also OL at the collegiate level. That's a shit load of lost reps just learning how and when to step. It's not as easy as some think it seems. I don't have a problem with the pick in the 6th, but asking a dude to change once he gets to the NFL, eh, I'm not a fan. |
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Mackenzie will do nothing in the NFL at DL. If we're depending on him at DL even as a backup, we've lost our way.
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