KU ***** Official 2017-2018 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ***** - Page 282

saphojunkie · 09:44 AM

**** the elite 8. Final Four or bust, baby.

Will update as people declare for the draft/transfer/commit

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Mr_Tomahawk · 03-31-2018, 09:05 PM

Good season. If you would have told me this team was going to be in the FF in Jan/Feb...I would have called you a liar.

chiefsfan987 · 03-31-2018, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

How did Nova lose 4 games this year?

Those teams must have actually played some defense. We sure didn't.

**Buehler445** · 03-31-2018, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Exactly. I'm assuming he thought Udoka would produce enough inside the arc to make leaving him out there defensively worth it, but it was beyond obvious from very early in the game that wouldn't be the case and he never adjusted to it.

Yeah. But SDS didn't do a lot either. I'd like to have seen them do some more switch everything and zone and maybe some junk defenses too, but that likely wouldn't have done much.

Fact is they beat us. If they hadn't been so damned hot to start with it would have been a lot closer, but I still feel like they would have won. Every time we got something going, they'd roll out a shot (some were lucky, yes, but many were open)

I'm not sure Self could have done much differently that would have materially affected the outcome.

KCTitus · 03-31-2018, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

KU ended up taking one more three (15) than Villanova (14) in that 2nd half and sure enough they were far more competitive with them (funny what actually running them off the 3PT line can accomplish). I have no idea what Self was doing in that first half.

Far more competitive in the second half? That's just ridiculous. KU was down 15 at the end of the first half and lost by 16. What's the point? Villanova had set a record for most threes in a entire game in the first half. Unless you believe Self should have told the team to shoot nothing but three's in the first half you're an idiot. There's no predicting that.

**Baby Lee** · 03-31-2018, 09:13 PM

We decided we wanted a taste of the FF tonight.

The aftermash

Al Czervik · 03-31-2018, 09:15 PM

Great season for the Hawks....
Nova is the better team...
No shame in losing to them, especially when they are setting records for 3 pointers in a game.

Thanks Devonte, Svi and Clay......Class acts all the way around!!!

Pants · 03-31-2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

KU ended up taking one more three (15) than Villanova (14) in that 2nd half and sure enough they were far more competitive with them (funny what actually running them off the 3PT line can accomplish). I have no idea what Self was doing in that first half.

They seemed more competitive because Nova slowed down their pace to basically a halt.

I get what you're saying about the game evolving, but this kind of shooting is abnormal and will be difficult to achieve in college. It's almost impossible to be this good from deep in college CONSISTENTLY. NCAA is not NBA.

KC_Connection · 03-31-2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Far more competitive in the second half? That's just ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? It's what happened. They kept pace with them offensively in the 2nd half (-1) and got absolutely annihilated in the first half. And a lot of that had to do with the difference in the volume of threes both teams took in the first (26 to 6).

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Unless you believe Self should have told the team to shoot nothing but three's in the first half you're an idiot.

Considering I'm on record as saying before the game that the only chance KU had was to take more threes than Villanova and considering 77% of Villanova's shots were threes in the first half, yeah, I think he should have been telling them to take a TON more. Of course, even the fact that Villanova took so many is partially on Self for allowing them to do so.

KC_Connection · 03-31-2018, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yeah. But SDS didn't do a lot either. I'd like to have seen them do some more switch everything and zone and maybe some junk defenses too, but that likely wouldn't have done much.

Fact is they beat us. If they hadn't been so damned hot to start with it would have been a lot closer, but I still feel like they would have won. Every time we got something going, they'd roll out a shot (some were lucky, yes, but many were open)

I'm not sure Self could have done much differently that would have materially affected the outcome.

Maybe not (Villanova is a much better team than Kansas and played a great game, that's going to lead to this outcome way more often than that), but I'm a massive Self fan and I still can't come away from that first half thinking anything but that he was outcoached.

KCTitus · 03-31-2018, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

How is it ridiculous? It's what happened. They kept pace with them offensively in the 2nd half (-1) and got absolutely annihilated in the first half. And a lot of that had to do with the difference in the volume of threes both teams took in the first (26 to 6).

Considering I'm on record as saying before the game that the only chance KU had was to take more threes than Villanova and considering 77% of Villanova's shots were threes in the first half, yeah, I think he should have been telling them to take a TON more. Of course, even the fact that Villanova took so many is partially on Self for allowing them to do so.

You assume, of course, that KU would have been able to match the shooting percentage, which was unprecedented in a FF game. What Villanova did was unprecedented...and therefore not a product of coaching.

You should be happy...you've predicted a KU loss since round one. It's time for you to take you glory. dont ****ing pretend it was coaching

**notorious** · 03-31-2018, 09:28 PM

KU overachieved this season. Ask any of you guys mid season if you would take a final 4 appearance and I think the majority of you would take it.

Pablo · 03-31-2018, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

KU overachieved this season. Ask any of you guys mid season if you would take a final 4 appearance and I think the majority of you would take it.

Yeah. We all would have.

**Dunit35** · 03-31-2018, 09:28 PM

I was surprised as anyone that they made it this far.

Still sucks watching them lose and not seeing seniors play any more. Sucks every year.

Pants · 03-31-2018, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Maybe not (Villanova is a much better team than Kansas and played a great game, that's going to lead to this outcome way more often than that), but I'm a massive Self fan and I still can't come away from that first half thinking anything but that he was outcoached.

KU has three good 3-point shooters (I don't trust Vick). KU doesn't have a Spillman. There's no mismatch on the perimeter. It's much tougher to guard five 3-point shooters who can also very easily drive.

The only thing that would have changed if KU took a bunch of shitty contested threes in the first half is that you wouldn't be able to say "Self got out-coached." The outcome of the game would be very much the same, I'm afraid.

KC_Connection · 03-31-2018, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants

They seemed more competitive because Nova slowed down their pace to basically a halt.

I get what you're saying about the game evolving, but this kind of shooting is abnormal and will be difficult to achieve in college. It's almost impossible to be this good from deep in college CONSISTENTLY. NCAA is not NBA.

It's definitely abnormal and there simply aren't enough good 3PT shooting bigs out there in high school/college ball yet (although that's changing every year), but it's what Jay Wright has been doing at Villanova for 5 years now. Over 42% of their shots have come from three in each of those years and it has led to two #2 seeds and three #1 seeds. If they can do it, others conceivably will follow.

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