Andy Reid on Mike & Mike: "Alex is our quarterback by the way"

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I might add, I'm getting more confused than ever.

At one point, we had the ridiculous notion that the Chiefs should just ignore everything save a dogged effort to unearth the next Brady. Rummage through the QB pile like looking for a super battery in a pile of batteries, until we find one who simply can't lose, ever.

Now, we're developing this 'well if Alex is mediocre. Why not be mediocre for cheap?' Just go out and round up journeymen and find someone who isn't too big a **** up who will play for peanuts.

These seem to be completely inapposite positions, sharing only the DNA of being tired of not having a QB carousel of home grown candidates.

Why do you believe them to be mutually exclusive in a cap league? Of course they're related.

Option A) Get baller-ass QB, increase your margin for error when your team plays a C- game so you can survive and advance in the hopes that the next game is at least a B+ game.

Option B) Get game-manager QB at cheaper price, allocate funds to the rest of the roster to at least improve the odds of having a B- game and being good enough to survive.

They're not inapposite; they're alternative pleadings - I prefer A but if I can't have A, let's try B.

Doesn't seem that complicated to me.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why do you believe them to be mutually exclusive in a cap league? Of course they're related.

Option A) Get baller-ass QB, increase your margin for error when your team plays a C- game so you can survive and advance in the hopes that the next game is at least a B+ game.

Option B) Get game-manager QB at cheaper price, allocate funds to the rest of the roster to at least improve the odds of having a B- game and being good enough to survive.

They're not inapposite; they're alternative pleadings - I prefer A but if I can't have A, let's try B.

Doesn't seem that complicated to me.

Babbly Lee thinks drafting the Matt Blundins, Steve Matthews, Steve Stenstroms, Pat Barnes, James Killians, Brodie Croyles, Ricky Stanzis, Aaron Murrays and Kevin Hogans of the draft is the best option.

Can't risk picks on a QB when you need the rest of the roster to be perfect to make up for the weaknesses of a retread QB.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Babbly Lee thinks drafting the Matt Blundins, Steve Matthews, Steve Stenstroms, Pat Barnes, James Killians, Brodie Croyles, Ricky Stanzis, Aaron Murrays and Kevin Hogans of the draft is the best option.

They're no Rich Scanlon, I'll give you that

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Babbly Lee thinks drafting the Matt Blundins, Steve Matthews, Steve Stenstroms, Pat Barnes, James Killians, Brodie Croyles, Ricky Stanzis, Aaron Murrays and Kevin Hogans of the draft is the best option.

Can't risk picks on a QB when you need the rest of the roster to be perfect to make up for the weaknesses of a retread QB.

**** you, **** you, and GO **** YOURSELF.

I've repeatedly said entirely the opposite. But you're too much of a pussy to actually argue what I DO SAY. Much more convenient to make up a ridiculous position and ridicule that, despite the utter lack of integrity.

The only differentiation is I trust the scouting efforts of Dorsey's admin over the dartboard genius of CP. If he finds what he likes, I'm completely on board with him moving heaven and earth [and Berry, Poe, Houston and Kelce, if he thinks it necessary] to obtain him.

You ought to be out on the Million Vagina March with that shit.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why do you believe them to be mutually exclusive in a cap league? Of course they're related.

Option A) Get baller-ass QB, increase your margin for error when your team plays a C- game so you can survive and advance in the hopes that the next game is at least a B+ game.

Option B) Get game-manager QB at cheaper price, allocate funds to the rest of the roster to at least improve the odds of having a B- game and being good enough to survive.

They're not inapposite; they're alternative pleadings - I prefer A but if I can't have A, let's try B.

Doesn't seem that complicated to me.

My point is that, Dorsey assembled a team within the cap that was competitive across the board sufficient to win in the playoffs. Outside the 2ndary which wasn't tested [Raper played an ABYSMAL game], they collectively laid an egg in the one game that mattered.

It's rough, and it's rougher given our history. But this past loss was not a continuation of 40 years of the same thing. It was a much better team than we've had in the past having a collective off day at the worst possible time.

I hoped that they got it out of their system with the Titans game, but there was a hangover from that that bit them in the ass.

Alex has nothing to do with Grbac, Bono, Kreig, DeBerg, etc. Certainly nothing to do with Croyle, Cassel, Palko or Thigpen.

A year or two in the NFL can be a lifetime. Despite what we feel as fans, correlations don't survive for generations.

Heck, Romo [and the entire Cowboys org] has as much heartache over the past 20 years in the playoffs as we do, and people are looking to him as a surefire savior even as he enters his Levitra years.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

My point is that, Dorsey assembled a team within the cap that was competitive across the board sufficient to win in the playoffs. Outside the 2ndary which wasn't tested [Raper played an ABYSMAL game], they collectively laid an egg in the one game that mattered.

It's rough, and it's rougher given our history. But this past loss was not a continuation of 40 years of the same thing. It was a much better team than we've had in the past having a collective off day at the worst possible time.

I hoped that they got it out of their system with the Titans game, but there was a hangover from that that bit them in the ass.

Alex has nothing to do with Grbac, Bono, Kreig, DeBerg, etc. Certainly nothing to do with Croyle, Cassel, Palko or Thigpen.

A year or two in the NFL can be a lifetime. Despite what we feel as fans, correlations don't survive for generations.

Heck, Romo [and the entire Cowboys org] has as much heartache over the past 20 years in the playoffs as we do, and people are looking to him as a surefire savior even as he enters his Levitra years.

It's not a continuation of 40 years of the same thing.

It's a continuation of 4 years of the same thing that ended the same way 3 times.

I'm not talking about Cassel, Palko or Thigpen, I'm talking about Alex Smith and the fact that you can essentially make the same argument for every one of his playoff losses.

There are precious few common themes here and he's the one that provides the greatest combination of possible and impactful change.

I gave him far more credit than most. I gave him far more rope than most. The bottom line is that he's used it up and I don't see that as being unfair. At some point the check comes due and for me that check comes when he loses 3 straight 1-score playoff games and misses opportunities for big plays in all of them. That's just too much and at 33 yrs old with no upside left, there's simply no reason for me not to explore alternatives.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

there's simply no reason for me not to explore alternatives.

Exploring alternatives is fine. I operate on the assumption that the FO is exploring alternatives constantly. They better be. They [scouts and executives] better wake up every morning asking 'how can I improve the roster?'

That's different than shrugging and saying 'anything at all is preferable.'

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Exploring alternatives is fine. I operate on the assumption that the FO is exploring alternatives constantly. They better be. They [scouts and executives] better wake up every morning asking 'how can I improve the roster?'

That's different than shrugging and saying 'anything at all is preferable.'

And for me I think Foles is a preferable alternative.

Not because I'm certain that the ceiling is higher, but rather that I think the floor is fine. If it's Smith, I remain convinced that a 1st round bye is a possibility but a divisional round loss is all but assured.

With Foles, that first round bye may not be coming but if the shit hits the fan with Foles, the top 10 pick in a loaded QB draft is on its way and that kid gets to come into a team that's still young and deep. It's an ideal launching pad for a young quarterback. And there's a chance, though diminished, that Foles could take this team to the same/similar performance as Smith. In fact, there's a chance his style can do more given the emergence of key playmakers.

I haven't said 'anything at all' is preferable, but I think there are many preferable options and probably the worst of those preferable options is sitting on our roster and under contract for 2017, so with that in hand, there's no reason for me to retain Alex Smith for next season.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I haven't said 'anything at all' is preferable, but I think there are many preferable options and probably the worst of those preferable options is sitting on our roster and under contract for 2017, so with that in hand, there's no reason for me to retain Alex Smith for next season.

I can appreciate where you are coming from here.. though I still find it impossible to shake the aforementioned post of yours pre-game to now.

Anyway, why not just hope that Andy and Alex learn from this, and Alex is forced now to become more aggressive?

You think if Andy sees what you saw.. and says to Smith this offseason, "lookit, bro.. I love you and you are being a good soldier, but WE BOTH must take the shots.. or YOU will be out on your ass." ( or if Smith takes his own initiative )

how would you feel then?

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I can appreciate where you are coming from here.. though I still find it impossible to shake the aforementioned post of yours pre-game to now.

Anyway, why not just hope that Andy and Alex learn from this, and Alex is forced now to become more aggressive?

You think if Andy sees what you saw.. and says to Smith this offseason, "lookit, bro.. I love you and you are being a good soldier, but WE BOTH must take the shots.. or YOU will be out on your ass." ( or if Smith takes his own initiative )

how would you feel then?

Do you really know what Alex Smith biggest problem is?

It's Andy Reid pass pass pass attempts. Even when they run a run play it's a GOD DAM MOTHER ****ING DRAW. So Alex is passing it 35-45+ times a game and he just isn't a gun slinging quarterback. He needs a run game so he can play action like he did with Gore and Vernon Davis that's how he got his success in San Francisco. Alex is worn out because of Andy Reid pass attempts a game. Yet only 15 touchdowns for the season go figure ?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I can appreciate where you are coming from here.. though I still find it impossible to shake the aforementioned post of yours pre-game to now.

Anyway, why not just hope that Andy and Alex learn from this, and Alex is forced now to become more aggressive?

You think if Andy sees what you saw.. and says to Smith this offseason, "lookit, bro.. I love you and you are being a good soldier, but WE BOTH must take the shots.. or YOU will be out on your ass." ( or if Smith takes his own initiative )

how would you feel then?

Cold comfort. If Smith doesn't realize this by now, he won't.

And after '17 ends in the same way '16 does, we'll be one season closer to FA for some key players, one season further into the primes of others.

That conversation would be akin to me begging my dogs to learn math. "Seriously Patton, if you don't realize that 2*2 equals 4, they're going to kill us both...."

Seems like it would be better to just ask my kid. The dog ain't gonna get it done but give me some time with the 3 year old and I might just get lucky.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Alex has nothing to do with Grbac, Bono, Kreig, DeBerg, etc.

He absolutely does.

Those guys all went home early because they couldn't put points on the board.

This offense struggled to score points in the second half of the season, primarily due to inept QB play.

And what do you know, the same thing that dogged us during the regular season bit us in the ass in the playoffs. There was no Tyreek Hill or Eric Berry magic to save the team this time, because that shit dries up in the postseason.

But it's not like that's never happened to Alex before! He's certainly never struggled to convert third downs or score points in a playoff game. NO SIR!

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

He absolutely does.

Those guys all went home early because they couldn't put points on the board.

This offense struggled to score points in the second half of the season, primarily due to inept QB play.

And what do you know, the same thing that dogged us during the regular season bit us in the ass in the playoffs. There was no Tyreek Hill or Eric Berry magic to save the team this time, because that shit dries up in the postseason.

But it's not like that's never happened to Alex before! He's certainly never struggled to convert third downs or score points in a playoff game. NO SIR!

Did you see those Setting Up The Punter stats though? 10/15 !!! That's good stuff.